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"Making up your own mind is the only true freedom you have." - line from Starship Troopers.
Who would have thought a Paul Verhoven movie that is absolute satire could be used as a life lesson.
That was NOT on my Bingo card for 2024. | |
What makes satire fun is when it has some truth to it. When you look at it and go "is this shit real?"
The satirical lines are blurry these days, and I love it. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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|  | | P: | 06/06/2024 02:10 EST |
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level1nobody, even the "us vs them" doesn't make sense to me. It's not even the "rich vs poor". But rather the "rich vs rich" obtaining more power & privilege at the expense of lives in every country across the world. An oil giant isn't super happy that a solar power giant is getting rich, that's his enemy/competition - basically he'll lose money if his competition gain traction in the world by people switching to alternatives. Sure the super rich could never possibly spend all the money they have within their lifetime, but they're helping to shape a government/legal system where they'll obtain more money at an accelerated rate over the next decades.
Imagine you have a little brother or sister. And you tell them:
"You have to pick which one of my two chores you'd rather do: mow the lawn OR sweep the floor."
before the younger sibling has a chance to realize the chore is not theirs & there is an alternative argument to be made, you quickly say:
"The sun is hot & the lawn mower is dangerous. The sweeping can be done quickly as the room is small." Now the younger child's attention is switched to attempting to identify which option is the lesser of the two evils or options.
This is basically voting for a president. It's 2024 and many Americans can still afford a vacation, haven't been forced to sell their home, are not living on food stamps and forced to commit light crimes on the sides to put bread on the table. The world's richest people are not trillionaires yet either. The current system of bribing politicians to pass laws or look the other way to improve companies & accelerate the wealth gap over the next 10-20 years will ensure a truly shitty American lifestyle and a few trillionaires to rise to the top.
If the system of government was completely changed benefiting the people and not companies or wealthy individuals then I'd totally vote to change the entire system. But it's currently setup so that no matter which president you vote for you're assisting in the slow destruction of America under the illusion that your news watching has picked the hero and not the villain. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/06/2024 02:19 EST |
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There is deciding for yourself when complete facts are knowable. Deciding why the sky is blue is proveable by understanding science. What a mask does against water droplets in a room is proveable. Hearing nonsense about a politician on a politically funded news network is literally garbage information. You're not going to uncover "the actual truth" by watching more and more news. Some of you seriously think that the news is attempting to deliver the good AND the bad for both the democratic and republican sides. Revealing the actual truth would hurt the news companies stock prices & if both sides had lied in the past about something this would further make the public trust the news even less. People think they want the truth, but they want a great version of the truth. The news wants to identify what YOU would like the truth to be - the feeling you get when "a truth" is presented that sounds comfortable & tolerable. If this helps the culture of our country accept the future that the owners of the news companies want to benefit the other companies that they own then great! Owning a news network is a bad investment for making money. However, the influential power behind it is the real prize. Hundred million dollar company changing the hearts and minds of millions increasing certain stock prices by billions is a GREAT investment. This is the purpose of the news.
There is a HUGE list of unprovable and unknowable things, and this tends to terrify & scare large sections of the population. Politically charged people and highly religious people in particular. In having an answer for every possible unknowable thing, they feel comforted and have no need to seek out the truth through science or education. I'm fine not knowing what happens after we die, I'm fine not being able to identify where consciousness is inside the brain, I'm fine we don't yet understand the 4th dimensional shape of the universe. Questions make me curious.
Attempting to prove bullshit in an attempt to fill in unknowable answers is just too insane though, which is mostly politics.
There are literally tens of millions of Americans that raise their hands with pure determination that they love or hate a current or past president, and are confident they know 95-100% of everything that was done during their term which is just sad. People need to watch the news & identify when sentences are crafted in an attempt to engage the viewers with an emotional response to opinions presented as facts. Figure out if something is even possible to figure out before becoming an expert in fiction. | |
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I don't know if we've had a great, generational leader since FDR. I'm partial to Harry Truman, he was blunt for a president, and serious cajones. Korean war tho :/ | |
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| Deciding why the sky is blue is proveable by understanding science
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If I recall correctly, the scattering of e/m radiation in the atmosphere is inversely proportional to the fourth power of the wave length.
Red e/m radiation is less energetic and therefore has a longer wavelength.
Blue light has higher energy and a higher frequency (and a subsequently smaller wavelength and therefore doesn't scatter as much).
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It's tough to argue the sky has any color. The sky is not blue, the sky is a filter that filters out red light and allows in blue. | |
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level1nobody
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| | P: | 06/06/2024 09:22 EST | | E: | 06/06/2024 09:32 EST |
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Snips, you type so, so many words. I'm not sure what we're arguing about anymore or if we're even arguing. My brain is now mush. Brevity, sir. Please. My points:
1) Us vs them: I didn't think this was remotely controversial. Or maybe I wasn't clear. I just meant a vertical separation between "us" and "them" (elites vs plebes) not a lateral one like R vs D. "Us" is all of us here who don't have the ear of national-level politicians. "Them" is Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates, among others.
2) We don't need to deconstruct the concept of bullshit down to the subatomic level. All I (think I) said was there are clever people out there who can tell when they're being fed bullshit. And in the end, they wind up being ahead of the curve in getting to the real truth. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 02:13 EST |
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| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet wrote:
It's tough to argue the sky has any color. The sky is not blue, the sky is a filter that filters out red light and allows in blue. | |
Yeah Gaba I just meant statements through science can be fact checked with experiments carried out such as the color of the sky.
When global events occurring through secrecy and under the umbrella of national security has details the general public will never know about, the angry news viewers are quick to point the fingers claiming they have every fact and know exactly what each president is doing. Arriving at an accurate state of reality when the core critical details are with-held is pointless. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 02:28 EST |
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| level1nobody wrote:
Snips, you type so, so many words. I'm not sure what we're arguing about anymore or if we're even arguing. My brain is now mush. Brevity, sir. Please. My points:
1) Us vs them: I didn't think this was remotely controversial. Or maybe I wasn't clear. I just meant a vertical separation between "us" and "them" (elites vs plebes) not a lateral one like R vs D. "Us" is all of us here who don't have the ear of national-level politicians. "Them" is Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates, among others. | |
I think you're confusing the hierarchical way of the world. The triangle of power is NOT:
President
Politicians
More Politicians
CIA/FBI/NSA
And finally people think at the bottom are the CEO's of companies running AI farms larger than a dozen Costcos or airports. The CEO of tech companies collecting more meta data, customer shopping/travel/eating habits. Gathering so much "not-specific-to-one-person" spy data on the entire invisible culture ecosystem of every country on earth. The CEO's of Facebook, Apple or Google know so much more about how to not only "guess near 100%" what a population would do, but more importantly how to make tiny changes to execute a desired outcome. These people contain the monitoring power & analytical resources to execute world changing decisions, and the richest people on earth abuse this power. They don't ignore it or wait for another rich person to acknowledge it's potential. Microsoft didn't make windows10 a free upgrade out of the goodness of their heart years back, they did it to start the first data harvesting spyware operating system designed to grab non-user specific information as that's MUCH more valuable then $125 every 5 years.
The 80 year old men tripping down ramps and stumbling out of cars confused are known as Trump or Biden are not at the top of decision making. Presidents are like the pilot of a self flying airplane so that the grandmas are willing to fly. If they saw nobody behind the wheel they'd sail or drive instead.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn the US President has secret meetings with the largest tech industry leaders on a regular basis, mostly steering the president in a direction that ensures that they obtain more wealth during his term in exchange for helping the president not be too much of an embarrassment having the lack of awareness in their technology toolkit.
| level1nobody wrote:
2) We don't need to deconstruct the concept of bullshit down to the subatomic level. All I (think I) said was there are clever people out there who can tell when they're being fed bullshit. And in the end, they wind up being ahead of the curve in getting to the real truth. | |
The problem is the truth behind topics that have so much top secret, high clearance, or national security secrecy locked away means the truth is unobtainable. And thus an accurate description of the reality in politics is impossible to obtain.
This would be like saying you have identified clever people who can tell when they're being fed bullshit and are on track to finding the location that god is currently hiding at. A group of people that have ended up being ahead of the curve in getting to the real truth are getting closer to disproving thousands of false religions. You see, it wouldn't matter how smart they are, because such a goal is impossible. The truth is not hiding in plain sight waiting to be uncovered.
You can't have incredible instincts, shifting through narratives designed to sway voters, hiding the majority of facts that are all classified, and
somehow arrive at the actual truth. The truth was hidden to protect US assets (spys), US political power, truth was hidden as instructed by our secretive three letter agencies, or it was hidden by both democrats & republicans as it hurts both parties and thus the credibility of the news.
The disgusting "truth" for most topics in politics I suspect are either boring OR extremely complex. Most truthful crimes in politics likely have things that really hurt the democrats AND republicans and so neither side wants to shine a light on topics that hurt their party.
Cobalt mining is a great example, we don't want to massively tax Samsung/Apple and every smartphone maker in the world to end human slavery & suffering. We don't want to end electric cars on the spot and blame every US President that has allowed this to grow from both sides the past 20 years. Both sides lose, the biggest tech companies suffer. Instead we say cobalt mining is not news, its not hurting Americans only hundreds of thousands of other people. While we pass laws & shape a future where this cobalt resource demand is set to grow likely leading millions into slavery soon. $5 for 12hours of labor to the 11 year old working with hand tools is disgusting. Meanwhile Nvidia just passed Apple and is now worth over $3 trillion. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 02:50 EST |
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Twitter is humanities gauge to how "we" (the people) feel about things, our culture, celebrities or anything and everything. The problem is when you inject internal (twitter owned) bots or external bots that type like humans shifting the fluid like dynamics of our culture. When the masses feel like canceling someone, something or embarrassing something or something going viral, we operate in a world where we believe bots don't exist. But because they do exit, the bot operators shift the discussion and fake a human response to deliver an outcome that can lead to changes in political views, presidents or culture wars.
News is designed as a distraction, leveraging the left and the right against each other so that the world believes and assumes that every big company operates in a legal and transparent way. Pushing the narrative that there is a ladder of leadership in an organized government, however one side is a hero and the other side is a villian. It is up to you to decide which one is Clark Kent and which one is Lex Luthor. The truth is both are evil & the entire system is designed in a corrupt manner. Meanwhile the richest families in the entire world have not disclosed how much money/property/wealth they have and are operating in secret. People need a person to blame or congratulate when the economy or global events occur. They need simple answers and a "truth" that sounds believable and agreeable. People don't want to be told "We can't tell you the entire truth due to classified information".
Technology companies and their meta data harvesting efforts are being fed into newly built AI farms for predictive analytics. If you hurt the technology sector by revealing their environmental co2 footprint or the cobalt mining required for efficient battery production, this hurts the strongest tool in the richest people on earth's toolkit.
I think people visiting facebook or twitter, believing that hunter biden or trump or whatever viral political topic is important so they watch the news. They believe the news is all fact checked and unbiased and with enough watching they'll uncover the actual truth for some reason. Forming strong opinions on vice presidents, SEC operators or whomever else based on "D vs R" on the news is insane, that's literally the point I'm trying to drive home through all of this. | |
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level1nobody
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| | P: | 06/07/2024 03:01 EST | | E: | 06/07/2024 03:12 EST |
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| I think you're confusing the hierarchical way of the world. The triangle of power is NOT:
President
Politicians
More Politicians
CIA/FBI/NSA | |
Actually not confused at all, haha. I insinuated that the elites have the politician's ears. That puts the elites higher on the hierarchy than politicians.
| This would be like saying you have identified clever people who can tell when they're being fed bullshit and are on track to finding the location that god is currently hiding at. A group of people that have ended up being ahead of the curve in getting to the real truth are getting closer to disproving thousands of false religions. You see, it wouldn't matter how smart they are, because such a goal is impossible. The truth is not hiding in plain sight waiting to be uncovered. | |
I've noticed an epidemic of exaggeration when it comes to ensnaring "conspiracy theorists" into a logic trap. That trap usually comes in the form of a strawman argument taking one side to the extreme:
- "You distrust a few politicians? Oh, so you think every politician is corrupt?"
- "You don't trust the COVID vax? Well then I guess you think all medicine is bullshit! And never go to your doctor again because you probably think 100% of doctors are bad!"
I said "...ahead of the curve in getting to the real truth." I never said or insinuated that random nobodies are uncovering 100% of the absolute truth. Just some truth. Enough truth.
But we're playing with semantics here. The top people whose work I follow have been nearly flawless in their journalism. Do they know all of the actual truth? No. So what?
That's all I was saying. I follow people with a good journalistic track record. They're just consistently right about stuff months and years before it hits the zeitgeist. Not interested in debating the how and the why of the concept of absolute truth like we're Greek philosophers. I don't need to know on a cosmic level how truly and spiritually right a journalist is from the perspective of understanding the great secrets of the universe. They're good journalists. Gonna keep following them. If they fuck up, then I'll stop. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 03:28 EST |
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Plane crashed, x died xx survived. That is news.
Bird flu crossed somehow into a human, however not possible to transmit human to human so no cause for alarm. That is news.
Hunter Biden did secret stuff as a politician. This is not news, this is distracting bullshit.
Donald Trump did secret stuff as a politician. This is not news, this is distracting bullshit.
I could identify a fucking huge pile of unprovable idiotic articles from both sides on news sites that are not facts, or more importantly not possible to be proven correct or incorrect. But rather stir doubt, fear or some other emotion about the "other side".
These are not extremes, and the examples above are not conspiracy theories either. But even going down that route when respectable journalists want to discuss figuring out the exact lab and exact person responsible for covid-19, it's just so silly & impossible that it scares me when crowds show up ready to read or watch. As if its a movie & if the answers sound fantastic enough that they're ready to believe anything.
I just think it's like trying to grab the wind with your hands, something that I know is impossible. It's fine if we agree to disagree, if it makes you "feel" good to hunt for big & exciting topics then who am I to stand in-between your happiness. I just wish that many of you that seem very politically charged zoom out and think through the larger pictures deeper. | |
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level1nobody
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| | P: | 06/07/2024 03:47 EST | | E: | 06/07/2024 04:14 EST |
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| These are not extremes, and the examples above are not conspiracy theories either. But even going down that route when respectable journalists want to discuss figuring out the exact lab and exact person responsible for covid-19, it's just so silly & impossible that it scares me when crowds show up ready to read or watch. As if its a movie & if the answers sound fantastic enough that they're ready to believe anything. | |
It sounds like we're on the same page because the journalists I respect don't do that.
EDIT: I mean, if I understand what you're saying, they're not intentionally getting people riled up over a specious witch hunt to the point of inciting violence.
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That's reductive. I don't pay attention to all this for good feelies. At worst, it's a horrible and isolating experience to look into this stuff and know that the vast majority of polite society would scoff and belittle you just for having the conversation. At best, it's mildly cathartic.
| I just wish that many of you that seem very politically charged zoom out and think through the larger pictures deeper. | |
Who says we don't? The corruption du jour is just the surface rot of the grander issues. It's what we have here in front of us to deal with. Things don't change until people get mad. And there's a lot to be mad about. Let us be angry. Do us that favor.
EDIT: Unless you're not talking about me specifically, but rather the people who only look at the world through the lens of their political party. In that case, I agree. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 04:14 EST |
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The problem is the anger seems to stem from emotional unprovable stories designed as weapons to help a side win an ethical conclusion that the president they want to win is better than the other one.
A story can be completely true, only partially true, or completely false. Unless you're working with classified documents it's impossible to solidify an exact answer. People don't see this, they act under the impression that all news agencies are doing their best to report facts and that for the most part they believe nothing is classified because there's just so much news out there.
People don't believe there are rich people influencing the law, adjusting the stock market or even who our next US president will be. They believe instead that their vote matters and that with enough news consumption the missing facts will present themselves. That things have been bad because the villain was picked instead of the hero and YOU know the right answer this time. They're both villains and there is no right answer however.
There are no journalists that talk about controversial biden or trump or other people in the white house that have access to secret information. If they're trying to reverse engineer the reasoning the one side doesn't want to talk about something or topics both sides are trying to cover up then it's still a pointless topic to emotionally invest your time and energy into is all I'm stating.
Get angry and upset about cobalt mining. Cameras not allowed, stock market & booming economy is benefiting, American Citizens almost entirely unaware. But China owns most of those mines and are benefiting the most. That is a real thing with real deaths, real injuries, real humans suffering. News won't cover it as there's money to be LOST by making this go viral by a LOT.
Getting angry because Hunter Biden got rich or Trump hid documents at his house or whatever after leaving the whitehouse, people keep pushing towards shit like this that they'll never get a real truth answer to.
Maybe my brain just works differently than most but I'm seeing stuff for what it really is. I'm fine with unknowable stuff & think there's a deeper understanding in being honest about that type of mindset instead of forcing that everything can have an answer or a close accurate guess with little to no facts. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/07/2024 04:24 EST |
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Imagine if a CEO of Google or IBM or some other huge name was secretly killing people and was part of a major organized crime ring. Leaders of the industries controlling the world is something that isn't political, but should fucking matter so much more than anybody with a Trump or Biden last name. But people don't care unless the news says its worth of their care or attention. And their attention should be on unverified fear pieces mostly.
I just get upset that people repeat whatever the news wants people to focus on using vague facts. It's like they hear about something stupid Biden or Trump said, and the viewer watching the news doesn't care. They hear it a second time on the news, and think it must be important because they've heard it before. They hear it a third and fourth time and now it's stuck in their heads and are repeating what the reporter said to their co-workers and at Thanksgiving. Trump does that bullshit all the time, saying something stupid 6 times on camera and then towards the end of a speech "Everyone I talk to seems to be saying this same thing" after proceeding to repeat the stupid thing he made up a 7th time.
Maybe I'm angry that people can't think for themselves. And the people designing news stories along with twitter pushing what is viral & important seem to be unprovable waste of time pieces that too many people believe is 100% true or 100% false. | |
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