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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/24/2021 11:44 EST | | E: | 02/24/2021 11:50 EST |
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I looked back to that post I made forever ago about Gsync, and noticed I was asking wmkbsl, heh. Do you even have a GSync monitor? ^_^;;
VSync definitely introduces input lag, but primarily only if you have your fps set over your monitor's refresh rate, which is how it's supposed to function.
If you set your fps below your refresh rate, which it looks like you've done, the input lag is either less severe or nonexistent, you're right. But then Vsync doesn't work quite as intended and you get screen judder. If you're playing on a 144hz with 124.5 fps, without GSync, I can't imagine that's as smooth as the monitor could/should be if you were playing at an fps matching an even multiple of your refresh rate (or with Vsync on with any amount of fps over your refresh rate).
I went 2 years thinking my monitor looked fine at 240 fps on this 144hz, but then when I switched to an even multiple (144, 288, or 432), I noticed just how much smoother the game was (because there was no longer uneven frame judder). I had Gize just switch from 100 to 180 just now on his 60hz, and he noticed the same thing for the first time in his TFC career, lol.
Idk, if your monitor is truly as smooth as it can be, then you probably do have G or Freesync, and have it enabled in Nvidia Control Panel (or whatever the AMD equivalent is) and have it set to override in-game settings. Though IDK why you'd be playing with 125 on a 144hz; if you had GSync you should aim for 3-5 fps below your refresh rate, so maybe 140ish. But if all you have is Vsync and you're setting FPS to 125, I can't imagine you're getting the most out of your monitor's smoothness.
Either way, none of this really has anything to do with the issues us GSync users were having with TFC stuttering/freezing with GSync active. It's a different matter entirely, something likely involving interrupt timing in the OS/hardware, or other forms of system latency. | |
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Nug
| | P: | 02/24/2021 13:26 EST |
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So what does someone like me with a 144hz monitor and the below settings do to improve or solve the stuttering/screen lag/screen judder or however you want to describe I get all the time? Sounds like Spoofer is saying I should set my max_fps to 144 instead of 240?
vsync off in Nvidia control panel
fps_override "1"
fps_max "240"
gl_gsync "0"
gl_vsync "0"
default_fov "125"
rate 50000
cl_updaterate 102
ex_interp 0.1
cl_cmdrate 999
I get a lot of lag and choke at times on the server but I'm more interested in fixing the stutter issue. It's fucking annoying trying to DM people or for concing. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/24/2021 14:33 EST | | E: | 02/24/2021 14:38 EST |
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I always had the impression that your stuttering issue was more severe, more like what I was experiencing when trying GSync.
But, yes, change your fps_max to an even multiple of your refresh rate, and the game should appear smoother (without frametime judder), but that may be a different issue than the stuttering you get. You'll notice more tearlines at an even multiple, but the smoother frametime is usually worth the tradeoff, IMO. The higher the multiple, the less you'll notice the tearlines (I don't notice them much at 432 fps, but they're obnoxious at 144). But you need to be able to maintain that FPS consistently, obviously. I can keep 432 most of the time on CTF, but on full ADL I can't always maintain 288 (and certainly not 432) and sometimes have to drop to 144. That's why I wanted to get GSync to work, to get perfect frametime with no tearlines and no input lag, but alas... =/
You'll want to drop cl_updaterate down to 30 or so on D2F if you want to avoid choke during full games. | |
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xipo
|  | | P: | 02/24/2021 21:01 EST |
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 | Nug wrote:
So what does someone like me with a 144hz monitor and the below settings do to improve or solve the stuttering/screen lag/screen judder or however you want to describe I get all the time? Sounds like Spoofer is saying I should set my max_fps to 144 instead of 240?
vsync off in Nvidia control panel
fps_override "1"
fps_max "240"
gl_gsync "0"
gl_vsync "0"
default_fov "125"
rate 50000
cl_updaterate 102
ex_interp 0.1
cl_cmdrate 999
I get a lot of lag and choke at times on the server but I'm more interested in fixing the stutter issue. It's fucking annoying trying to DM people or for concing. | |
type this in consol and see,
cl_cmdrate 101
cl_updaterate 100
rate 30000
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Screen tearing is some trippy shit, man. | |
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Vishus
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | P: | 03/07/2021 00:17 EST |
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bella
Regular
Spaz Sniper
| | | P: | 03/07/2021 12:41 EST |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 03/07/2021 23:11 EST |
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Omgz, yes it most often occurred during vox messages (idk if I said that in this thread, or you saw me talking about it in another thread, or if you're just simply spot on with exactly the issues I had).
If you could remember that review/article, or any memories of what it might've been so I could try to hunt for it myself, I'd really, super duper, totally wotally appreciate it. <3 | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 03/08/2021 18:51 EST | | E: | 03/08/2021 18:54 EST |
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ass_dm?
https://youtu.be/z2hEFYeCrdQ
Mainly posting just to promote The Beer League's ass_dm ladder.
https://discord.gg/NwdBpDHZ
It's a really laid-back ladder and everyone is friendly and has fun with it, and of the 35 signed up so far there's players of all skill levels, so everyone (half-decent) should be able to find some even competition.
Vishus is the only other D2F rep that's signed up so far, and I'm sure he could tear at least half the ladder up. So some of the rest of you, especially the ones with egos, can use it as an excuse to put their money where their mouth is. ;) Or just to have some fun. Like I said, it's really friendly and laid-back. | |
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Vishus
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | P: | 03/09/2021 13:51 EST |
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Ass.
Dm.
What's not to love? Just make sure you challenge someone who appears active so you don't get stuck waiting for days like I am while others play match after match. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 03/09/2021 14:22 EST |
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Voidobot was apparently in the hospital for 3 days, heh.
I typically only manage to have a match every day or so. People already have twice as many as me. :{ Then again I've been getting home at 10pm most days and then I get tired quick and go to bed early so, I guess that's partly on me, heh... | |
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Vishus
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | P: | 03/09/2021 14:33 EST |
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Working IRL is a poor excuse when there are matches pending! ;)
Ah well. Tonight perhaps. | |
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xipo
| | | P: | 03/09/2021 17:26 EST | | E: | 03/09/2021 17:38 EST |
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw
| | | P: | 03/09/2021 17:57 EST |
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voidobot, sandro, moreno, dexterity all play on drippys. It looks like you lost to Wheaties/amir 50-49? That's impressive. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 03/09/2021 18:25 EST |
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Maybe I'll do better next time, heh.
First time I've ever played him; I was nervous af and expected to be destroyed (he was beating others with considerable skill 100-60). The first round I think I lost by 3ish, and caught on and performed slightly better in the 2nd round which I posted. Josh came close to beating him, too. We're probably the top 3 in the ladder so far, though Neon and Lat recently joined so they'll shoot up soon too.
I was a little surprised Wheaties plays so conservatively. I'm used to ultra aggressive players, like Josh or my training partner Buck, who are constantly pushing forward. Probably part of the reason why so many of my shots were so shallow. And I'm glad we both respected each other enough not to waste damage potential on risky airs, heh, though that makes the match a bit more boring to watch.
I'm looking forward to facing him again, and the rest of the heavyweights.
But like I said earlier, the ladder is full of players of all skill levels. A lot of you guys should join and Test Your Might and improve and have fun. XD | |
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