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Jesus_is_King
P: 06/26/2016 19:14 EST
E: 06/26/2016 19:19 EST
   
moose poop wrote:
Blacksheiladog,

I would hazard a guess that you are not a minority, of ethic, religious, economic or other category. As such it would not be a surprise that you would feel safe in a group wherein you do not stand out as different. Yet, I believe the common thread in Christianity is love and not hate or fear based on over broad and generalized groupings; and thus my comment.
So, Moose:

Might it be a 'loving' act to use a gun in defense of somebody whose life was in danger? The motive is not hatred or vengeance, yet to protect somebody: and sometimes the result of doing this is the death of the attacker. But hey I'm not trying to convince you, but just trying to offer a different outlook on it.

The topic of 'armed' self-defense (and defense of others) is definitely a debated one within Christian circles. An example is John Piper's position in comparison to James White's position. The latter is the founder of Alpha and Omega Ministries.

  
moose poop
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Body Splatter

P: 06/29/2016 13:41 EST
    depends  
Smoke
Super Regular
Soldier Flag
Defense

P: 06/29/2016 15:46 EST
    I've never pulled on someone [thankfully] although there have been a few times where it crossed my mind. It was never fear for my personal safety perse, but situations involving others where I have been a bystander.
I'm sorry, but as of late I've not been the most spiritual or religious person. But, growing up Catholic and being a born again Christian to boot... I've never believed in the mainstream ideal that:
A) you have to be in church to find God
B) you have to be on your knees to have a conversation with him.
I live my life by "the Golden Rule" I believe in something similar to karma. You get what you give, and how you treat others is how others will treat you.
When I was a firefighter, I routinely put my life on the line for total strangers. Not once did I expect the same, but rather hoped that if it were myself in that situation I would get the same assistance.
Now that I'm a civilian, I might not be putting myself in such danger but that's not to say that there aren't times where I have wished I was in a burning building versus where I was at that moment.
I knock on wood because those situations never escalated, but I have always been prepared to take it to the next level if the need arises. Whether it was in direct connection to myself or not.
  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 06/29/2016 16:10 EST
    Smoke: "Religion is for people who are afraid of Hell. Spirituality are for those who have been there."

I believe in Karma as well...... and yet I find myself more and more shit upon these days. (Real life here, not on the server, or any of the forums I frequent).

I've had some good things happen to me, don't get me wrong. And I see decent people get taken advantage of. I've been "down and out"..... Hell, the only thing standing between me and homelessness, is my wife. I'm fighting to get disability, which isn't easy no matter what people tell you, or what you may think.

Everyone is fighting their own battle. Either with personal demons, or external forces. Try to look at their whole situation before passing judgment. You might be surprised how closely you can relate.
  
-X-
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Evil Medic

P: 07/09/2016 15:46 EST
E: 07/08/2016 10:44 EST
    Forget the lives of countless American men women and children, they're a price worth paying for "rights" and "freedom"...

5 police officers sniped like its a game or somewhere in a war zone. Shocking.
  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 07/08/2016 13:51 EST
    Currently waiting for -X- to show up and start talking about the two recent police shootings, and/or the cop massacre in Dallas.

  
Mr. Walnuts
Daycare Manager
Pipey FlagCatcher

P: 07/08/2016 14:49 EST
    What's to talk about. More fucking nuts with guns who think they are doing the right thing.  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 07/08/2016 15:06 EST
    Well, the guy selling the bootleg CDs is still in question..... I'm getting rather sketchy details about both him, his history, and what really happened. The video doesn't really show a whole lot, and the cops body cameras mysteriously "turned off"...

I'm still waiting to see if there was body camera footage of the other one, though. From everything I've learned about that one, the cop should never have had a badge to begin with.

What kind of an idiot shoots into a car with a kid in it? Not to mention he didn't follow procedure when presented with "I have a concealed carry permit, and I'm carrying."

Yesterday's attack on the cops in Dallas...... what a mess. That was pretty damned coordinated. There was nothing random about that. I can't wait to see what details are released on it.

I do like how some people noted that "not all terrorism comes from the middle east". While we don't know where these asshats got their intel, weapons, and motive..... I'd still call this domestic terrorism.
  
Bobfromjanitorial
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Ironman Pyro

P: 07/08/2016 20:05 EST
    A second video from a bystander has been released and paints a very grim picture of the Alton sterling execution. (I'll find a link shortly)

And a 19 year old kid was shot by police while laying face first on the ground. They asked him to put his hands on his head then shot him when he moved.

And now a police officer was shot during a routine traffic stop. I really hope it had nothing to due with recent incidents, because that just means this is the lead in to mass hysteria.

Citizens become afraid of being shot by cops, react hysterically and shoots cop, cops become increasingly afraid of being shot by citizens, and it just spirals down from there.

This is beginning to look like the beginning of something disastrous
  
blacksheiladog
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Percher

P: 07/08/2016 21:42 EST
E: 07/08/2016 21:42 EST
    When a police officer approaches me, I am polite, I make no sudden moves, and I comply with all demands, slowly and cautiously. I do not mouth off, get into a wrestling match with the officer, or try to grab a gun hidden in my pocket, or do anything else stupid.

Yes, I am not a minority, but also yes, I have been stopped by officers who are. No one need fear the police if they are not looking for trouble in 99.99% of the cases. Millions of traffic stops or arrests without making the news. Are there bad cops? Yes, a tiny fraction probably are. Are there completely unjustified shootings? Rarely. Are cops people that can make mistakes? Yes. Behave accordingly and live.
  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 07/09/2016 00:19 EST
    There's the thing, Wally... the guy with the CC permit DID comply. The officer acted improperly.

He failed to follow proper procedure. Which is to order the person out of the vehicle, locate and secure the permitted weapon, THEN ask for all documentation(license, registration, CC permit).... he failed to do that. He also failed to render aid, probably because he knew he fucked up, and was in full panic mode. While a single officer on the scene has the right to not render aid while a situation is developing, there was a second officer present.

How that woman(his girlfriend) remained calm during that whole thing, I'll never know. Especially given her child was in the back seat.
  
dsm
Super Regular
Rocket Jockey

P: 07/09/2016 00:35 EST
    shock.

i noe.

been there.
  
Shemmie
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Deadly Dispenser
Man

P: 07/09/2016 00:36 EST
   
Bobfromjanitorial wrote:
This is beginning to look like the beginning of something disastrous
Without wishing to sound melodramatic; yes. All over the western nations, for various reasons, things are looking a touch precarious.
  
blacksheiladog
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Percher

P: 07/09/2016 00:50 EST
E: 07/09/2016 00:54 EST
   
Ignorant_Florist wrote:
There's the thing, Wally... the guy with the CC permit DID comply. The officer acted improperly.

He failed to follow proper procedure. Which is to order the person out of the vehicle, locate and secure the permitted weapon, THEN ask for all documentation(license, registration, CC permit).... he failed to do that. He also failed to render aid, probably because he knew he fucked up, and was in full panic mode. While a single officer on the scene has the right to not render aid while a situation is developing, there was a second officer present.

How that woman(his girlfriend) remained calm during that whole thing, I'll never know. Especially given her child was in the back seat.
If all true, then it falls into the "rare" category. No argument from me if all the facts are in. I haven't seen all the videos on this only the one after he was shot. But it does not change my belief that the vast majority of cops are decent honest people trying to do the best they can under impossible conditions. I don't defend cops that make deadly mistakes or are intentionally assholes. But taking the rare and making it into something that is a nationwide epidemic is wrong and just might lead to more goofballs doing what the dude in Dallas did.
  
Prelude to Agony
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Sniper Harassment
Duty

P: 07/09/2016 00:55 EST
   
Ignorant_Florist wrote:
He failed to follow proper procedure.

Please, stop. I've grown weary of lay people trying to cite 'proper procedure'. If I followed your proper procedure, I'd be sued for a 4th amendment violation here. I have never ordered a CCW holder (self claimed) from their vehicle and relieved them of the weapon. Maybe I'm too trusting....or maybe I feel it's safer for both of us...

I haven't read up on either this, Baton Rouge or Dallas (or MO and GA today), as I have faith that the DOJ will do what is right. I'm all for cops who fuck up getting what's coming to them. But, I refuse to pass judgement on snippets of video, sorry. Things like this is why I try very hard to get both sides of the story on all my complaints...the only time I can't is when one side takes off and I can't find them.
  
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