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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 16:26 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 16:37 EST |
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Kph doesn't mean anything whatsoever on the enemy sniper deck. A high kph while constantly throwing yourself into the enemy basement is far more indicative of skill, though obviously in the end the only thing that matters for O classes is flag touches/caps. Kill what you can't get past any other way, and don't worry about chasing down that final shot on the scurrying Engi or whatever if he's already removed himself from the equation.
illusion's touches/caps per hour are almost exactly twice as high as Matt's, for instance. If Matt would stop focusing on enemy Snipers and constantly concing back to spawn for health, and instead learned to aim relentlessly for the flag like brah, he'd graduate to Grapefruit level and could hang with the big boys. But until then, illusion's definitely far more indicative of what a good Medic is supposed to strive for.
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IIRC, UPSET's WL isn't significantly higher than the average good player, but he seems to get balanced far worse than most of us. I think at one point on this account mine was like 6:1, back when I was in my exclusive D-Engi phase, and his was 2~2.5 or so, and he still seemed to have it far worse than me. But it's probably just us experiencing confirmation bias with the phenomenon, heh. | |
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The only other thing I'll say about kph is that equipment (mouse, keyboard, etc.), style of play, time of day, all play a factor here as well. Gg#4 usually plays when it's full or near full so I suppose if we were to take kph at face value his is impressive, especially for a newer medic.
I know I've gotten a little better since I've upgraded my mouse and keyboard (just got a new one last month), but I still could get better and more accurate I suppose. I think my biggest downfall as a medic is sometimes I get too carried away trying to fuck with D players.
Upset definitely seems to be outnumbered every time I play with him. I absolutely love the matches when it's me, him, and a few other people vs everyone else. It happens every so often.
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 16:43 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 16:56 EST |
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I play with ultra low eDPI, so my accuracy is top tier (good for killing), but my movement/evasion is probably below par for good players. I fall into the trap of wanting to DM everything in sight on the way to the flag as well, but I gotta push myself more to make my runs as efficient as possible. But that's also why I tend to favor D or heavier classes in ADL where I can put that skill/tendency to its best use.
And in the once in a blue moon that I actually play, I only like playing when the server's full/near full. Ppl who prefer lowman games can obviously ramp up their WL/cap stats, etc., far easier (not that playing for stats is any good player's objective).
With all my health issues the past few years, it's rare for me to be able to play with a clear head, and usually I have severe brain fog going on. Handicaps my play quite a bit depending on its severity. Also a large part of the reason why I get more agitated at stuff than I'd like. =/ I might've found a solution to help with this though, so if I come back, maybe I'll be able to be a more chill player, heh. | |
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gg#4
Super Regular
Killer Scout
|  | | P: | 02/19/2021 16:45 EST |
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I never really cared about kph as medic..I care about trying to cap or annoy the other team.
Does kph equate to the effectiveness of being a good teammate? Maybe. Maybe not. I see plenty of people with a high kph on various classes that couldn't give a rats ass about winning the match or trying to outsmart the other team.
Edit: gg#4 isn't one of them, though I think ya'll value that shit way more than I do | |
Well when I made setting changes I wanted to see how that affected my play experience. So I recorded my stats and check every so often to see if different things are working for me or hurting me.
I dont DM too much as medic. Mainly play the objective. Sometimes ill fuck around and play D medic just to work on shotty aim.
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw
| | | P: | 02/19/2021 16:45 EST |
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If I'm playing offense I absolutely value anyone that racks up kills on offense, it makes my job easier and increases my chances of reaching the enemy flagroom/basement - as it breaks up the defense. Who wants to go down spiral every run and DM the same full health soldier over and over by yourself? If you have a teammate(s) that rack up kills, some runs that soldier won't be there because he was just killed or if he is there with very low health and easy to kill..
I could also easily argue that the best medics on drippys also have the highest KPH. Me - 87.61, brah - 86.95, Pheesh - 86.23, DS - 80.25, Vishus - 77.05 Who wouldn't want these players on offense with them? | |
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gg#4
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 02/19/2021 16:53 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 16:54 EST |
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yeah you definitely want a good mix of players going for kills and a mix of quick classes like scout and stealth classes like spy to throw off their defense and then heavy classes like soldier using o teles
I definitely would add matt to the going for kills category. His movement is good though and could go for caps if he wanted. Just rather fight first, cap second.
I have illusion slightly in caps per hour and he has me slightly in touches per hour. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 16:53 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 16:54 EST |
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That's exactly my point though Matt, you're not a good Medic XD (as indicated by your flag stats, and by anyone watching your play).
You are often good at putting pressure on the enemy Sniper deck to make it easier for your own snipers (which is why your KPH is so high, as Snipers and other low hanging fruit leaving spawn are often super easy to kill), but you're rarely a ton of help in capping (or even defending) unless the balance of the match is already so stacked in your team's favor that you'll allow yourself to join the runners. I've never seen any would-be decent player so afraid to die in a videogame before, heh.
You've clearly got the skill to be a valuable Medic and a grapefruit, but you actively choose not to be by scurrying back to spawn 500 times every match (or avoiding doing what needs to be done on D).
I barely play Medic, but my KPH is 86.12. With touches/caps per hour about 3x higher than yours. So I'm fighting tougher stuff (entrenched basement D), and actually accomplishing the game's objective.
Choose to allow yourself to become a grapefruit, dude. =p Or just keep DMing; I mean it's a pub videogame and you do you, heh. | |
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw
| | | P: | 02/19/2021 17:02 EST |
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Spoofer, you haven't liked me from the get go so of course comments like this from you have been the norm ever since I started playing on drippys. I understand you have an opinion, and that's fine with me. Unfortunately no one agrees with you, well, maybe DS who also hates me, hehe. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 17:04 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 17:09 EST |
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I actually do like you, lol. XD You've got a lot of skill and have the drive to self-improve.
Which is why I just don't understand your play. IT BEWILDERS ME, lol.
But you're right, who the fuck am I, and no one should change the way they play merely to meet someone else's metrics or whatever. | |
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| gg#4 wrote:
I have illusion slightly in caps per hour and he has me slightly in touches per hour. | |
For more than half of my hours played as medic, I was terrible. I was also playing with shitty stock computer equipment for a while because PC gaming was not a life priority. I don't think I started really caring about trying to get better at medic until the last few years honestly. I've always preferred demoman as my main class. That's how it was 20 years ago too. Looks like you have a slight edge on my kph as demo. Time for me to hang it up. | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 17:42 EST |
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What's your mouse/keyboard now? | |
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw
| | | P: | 02/19/2021 17:51 EST |
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I don't always play the way you think I do. The thing I like about pub play, you can goof off at times and for the most part do what you want. If you're a tryhard or want organized play, there's a pickup community for that. You say I'm not a good medic, then why do I always get asked by teammates(UPSET asks me a lot, sometimes gg#4) to play offense? They want me to play offense for my battlements camping playstyle? | |
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Razor Blackwidow Elite and HyperX Pulsefire Raid (might upgrade again in the coming year) | |
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kyree
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 02/19/2021 17:53 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 17:57 EST |
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| -[IBSC]-iLluSiON- wrote:
I never really cared about kph as medic..I care about trying to cap or annoy the other team.
Does kph equate to the effectiveness of being a good teammate? Maybe. Maybe not. I see plenty of people with a high kph on various classes that couldn't give a rats ass about winning the match or trying to outsmart the other team.
Edit: gg#4 isn't one of them, though I think ya'll value that shit way more than I do | |
I go medic strictly to make Snipers choose another class.. Fuck a flag... Fuck a sniper!
Fuck you dot camping faggots
OH and PLEASE play from spawn.. Emps kill everything... Fuck snipers | |
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Spoofer
Super Regular
WMD Creator
| | P: | 02/19/2021 18:00 EST | | E: | 02/19/2021 18:07 EST |
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| Matt_tfc wrote:
I don't always play the way you think I do. The thing I like about pub play, you can goof off at times and for the most part do what you want. If you're a tryhard or want organized play, there's a pickup community for that. You say I'm not a good medic, then why do I always get asked by teammates(UPSET asks me a lot, sometimes gg#4) to play offense? They want me to play offense for my battlements camping playstyle? | |
I think UPSET would concur with me that when we ask, we're hoping our desperate bet on a longshot will pay off, and that you'd actually push aggressively (and not give up) like the rest of us. XD
Though I legit cannot recall a game I've played with you where I've failed to witness you conc back to spawn at least half the match, and getting you to join us past enemy deck is usually like pulling teeth. Unless as I outlined earlier, it's such a one-sided match that it passes your threshold.
Since we're now in the question/answer phase of this dialogue, why do you do that? :D? To beef up your KD for the scoreboard, or for stats? Why do you care so much, when you know what other players truly respect is cooperative teamwork and playing towards the objective? Certainly you're aware you could get twice as many runs in (and, as you outlined above, be twice as effective at softening up avenues to the flag) if you just nutted up and took the D for your team, yes? So, is that scoreboard KD ratio really more important to you than putting a W up there for your team?
But yeah, it's a pub, which is why I don't question these sorts of tactics from the vast majority of players who never even attempt to play intelligently or develop skill, but your potential is certainly beyond that. | |
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