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LGMB95033
Super Regular
Deadly Dispenser
Man
|  | | P: | 10/31/2022 23:07 EST |
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| Poll: Legal / Not legal |  | | Legal (36%) | | | Not Legal (64%) | | | | | |
| | Poll has ended (it ran for 7 days). 14 total votes. |
https://youtu.be/JMVGDPMLaKI
Correct me if I am wrong. I was attacked and with only an emp left I used it and tossed it at my attacker. I believe this is legal. | |
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oh heck yes. love kills like that. legal cheap kill my friend.
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9x
| | P: | 10/31/2022 23:24 EST |
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emp is not legal. and your target was telly's going for easy fresh spawns. | |
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[SHS]Hitz
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 04:07 EST |
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Bad boy.. it’s considered a bit silly to engage in self-defence, as other new spawns may take damage. You took out a new spawn. Worth a 5 day ban? Of course not. But.. you’re an old-timer, you should know better. Next time, do NOT engage even if attacked. Just die or get out of there. | |
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-[IBSC]-iLluSiON-
Daycare Manager
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 09:39 EST | | E: | 11/01/2022 09:40 EST |
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I've always thought secondaries in spawn were frowned upon regardless of the scenario due to splash damage or damage to surrounding players who are freshly spawning. Emp most definitely has a massive explosion if a Pyro had spawned and would've killed everyone. | |
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Was under the impression that secondary nades are a no-no.
When I go tele hunting and end up in the hallway to the sniper deck I just kill myself. I try as much as possible not to engage fresh spawns to avoid cheap kill allegations.
I have to vote not legal. For one you threw a secondary nade. You lingered in there a little bit too long and not only that you threw the emp at ground zero of people respawning. Also, this is in the sniper respawn. If this was at the other respawn then maybe there would be more leeway. "I was trying to cap the flag and just wanted to get the hw that went back to resupply. Honest!"
Are you playing game in software mode? | |
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Nowhere does it say secondary nades are against the rules in ss . The rule is against intentional cheap fresh spawn kills. | |
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-[IBSC]-iLluSiON-
Daycare Manager
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 10:54 EST | | E: | 11/01/2022 11:08 EST |
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say we have to take it literally, yet people do.
Wait, that is a terrible analogy.
It has been stated before that secondary nades are not allowed in spawn. The grey area being when there's multiple teles and someone tries to take both out. But it's always been frowned upon simply because secondary nades are for taking out multiple targets. I'll be interested in hearing others' thoughts but I can tell you what LG did would most likely have resulted in admin action if witnessed and reported.
Also, throwing nades up sniper drop down. I'm seeking clarification because there are people who think that's OK to do if a tele is there.
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gg#4
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 11:02 EST | | E: | 11/01/2022 11:07 EST |
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In LGs defense his shottie is so bad even if he was firing on that engie hed hit fresh spawns.
Also you only had an EMP left because of your terrible nade placement. You should have just killed yourself.
You dont usually do this so I dont think it was out of maliciousness. Shit happens. If I were an admin and witnessed this I wouldnt have done anything.
Maybe if you did this every round on every run. | |
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gg#4
Super Regular
Killer Scout
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 11:10 EST | | E: | 11/01/2022 11:10 EST |
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 | -[IBSC]-iLluSiON- wrote:Also, throwing nades up sniper drop down. I'm seeking clarification because there are people who think that's OK to do if a tele is there. | |
This is tricky, because even if you KNOW there is a tele there because you were up there the run prior. You dont know if someone took it out already. The player changed classes and took his tele with them.
Id say for instances where you rocket, conc or nade jump and missed catching the lip and see a tele i would think its acceptable to then toss a nade up.
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| -[IBSC]-iLluSiON- wrote:
Nowhere in the Bible does it say we have to take it literally, yet people do.
Wait, that is a terrible analogy.
It has been stated before that secondary nades are not allowed in spawn. The grey area being when there's multiple teles and someone tries to take both out. But it's always been frowned upon simply because secondary nades are for taking out multiple targets. I'll be interested in hearing others' thoughts but I can tell you what LG did would most likely have resulted in admin action if witnessed and reported.
Also, throwing nades up sniper drop down. I'm seeking clarification because there are people who think that's OK to do if a tele is there.
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Where has it been stated by drippy that secondary nades are not allowed? Where does it state this rule on the rules section on the website?
The stated rule is against intentional fresh spawn kills.
If someone wants to prove me wrong, it should be easy.
I’ll wait. | |
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But the point is moot, caltrops at spawn exit currently still legal 😀 | |
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Help
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper
| | | P: | 11/01/2022 11:45 EST |
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Tossing grenade at teleporter - legal
Fight a respawn player that engages with you - legal
Chasing after said target - legal
Killing target and collateral damage - legal
Only thing in question is the use of secondary grenades. Is there a rule against it in the respawn area when fighting a player that is “in play”? | |
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The word "intent" is often thrown around as a deciding factor in grey-area cases like this. It doesn't look like LG had intent to kill freshly spawn players, yet EVERYONE who plays TFC knows EMPs are one of the most powerful weapons in the game and can easily kill multiple people. Like I said above, if a Pyro had spawned and ran out the door, everyone would have died.
The rule says exactly what you say, yet it should be implied that secondary nades are usually intended for more damage than just one person.
This has been brought up here multiple times before. Are you suggesting the rules need to be updated with more strict guidelines?
In this case, I would think an admin who was playing (if in game) would have to make the executive decision as it would be up to our discretion. I can tell you if I saw this I or was in spawn, I would have warned LG at the very least. Though I'm happy this was posted because it would be good to have a clearer idea. One of the many things where people tend to have differing opinions. | |
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9x
| | P: | 11/01/2022 12:01 EST |
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I was sinister, the only reason i told LG nice emp in respawn is the fact all his other uploads he posts when he's the victim. I was the victim and simply told him he should know better then he just rq and posted it. As a Regular here its been beaten to death and the fact he always posts people killing him in spawn or baiting them in spawn to kill him and to record it. Secondary's are not allowed in any resupply and if they are why was I 5 day banned for a mirv long ago. | |
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