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Edit: but go ahead Iggy....tell me in your own words why you think Kamala will make such a great president. Take a stand for a change... | |
Oh, I'm not saying she will be a "great" president.... I'm just hoping that she'll be a SANE one.
I will admit that I like some of what she has to say. Do I think she will accomplish it all? Not likely. But I'll be happy if she can restore women's body autonomy (even if I personally disagree with abortions.... it's not MY right to demand someone else live by MY beliefs), and do a few other things to make this country better than it has been. The last thing I want to see is the US to go back 100 years or more in regards to people's rights. I sure as Hell don't want a convicted criminal in the white house, especially after some of the things he's blatantly stated he will do should he regain power.
Don't forget, he's using the whole "border" thing as a political tool, after he literally torpedoed a bi-partisan bill where Democrats gave into pretty much every demand made by Republicans... just so he could run his campaign on that issue.
Can you actually trust someone who does that? More to the point, DO you actually trust someone who does that?
You do raise the point about those in government being "mostly in it for themselves".... and I agree. However, some of those in government are at least willing to toss us a bone here and there. Trump is only in it for himself, while Harris is willing to toss us a bone here and there. Which of those do you prefer?
So... here we are, in a "lesser of two evils" situation.... which I normally toss my support to a 3rd party during. But, this time... the greater of those two evils is someone with enough support that he can possibly win, and has demonstrated that he is an actual threat to our way of life, so I am left with no choice BUT to go with the lesser of the two evils. Am I happy about that? Nope.
Members of my immediate family have fought against fascism in order to preserve our way of life, and that was long before I was even born. I will not allow their sacrifice to be for nothing. Not while I still have the right to cast a ballot against a fascist wanna-be dictator who would sell our country out to the highest bidder while trying to avoid a prison sentence that he richly deserves. | |
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Kamala is not sane. She is a low IQ train wreck. She is a cackling, pandering, America last candidate who never should have got this far, but for DEI.
Trump is not sane either, but as previously stated, I was better off when he was in office. He's not my first choice, but there is no other choice at the moment.
Very interesting statement "it's not MY right to demand someone else live by MY beliefs". The US would be in a much better place if everyone followed that, don't you think? I'd love it if people would keep their beliefs to themselves, instead of insisting I need to validate their bullshit. Still, in the interest of fairness...if women want body autonomy, and more power to them, then men should be able to opt out of the life they helped create should the woman choose to keep it. Fair is fair.
I don't have a dog in the abortion fight...I could care less, so long as it's not taxpayer funded. It's more likely you're eliminating future Democrat voters that way, so knock yourself out.
I don't trust anyone in politics. They all lie, but to get people to admit that their candidate was full of shit is like pulling teeth. How anyone could sit there and say Trump's four years were nothing but lies, but spin around and say Biden's administration has been so transparent and honest...god damn. Trump opens his mouth...it's a lie. Biden administration lies through omission, deflection and feigned ignorance. Jill should be brought up on elder abuse charges for what she has put that man through.
But, at least you took a stand here. Bravo.
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|  | | P: | 08/05/2024 02:14 EST | | E: | 08/05/2024 02:22 EST |
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What would Trump have to do for you to think “maybe he isn’t the best thing for the country?” even with your disapproval for the Democratic Party. What’s the bar (for you personally)? | |
Before PtA replied, and even more after, my imagined answer if I were in his shoes was that "he felt that Trump would result in a better America, after a term." with better being the subjective view 'relative to his terms of reference', than the opposing candidate.
As I reflected on that, I did hit upon a novel (for me) and scary view - that you could both be right.
Harris could result in a better America 'for you', and a worse America 'for him'. The idea that you're both right - and that it is now impossible to find a candidate who 'does' appeal to everyone - that's a concern.
I don't think many people point to Trump as an exceptional human being (although not many his age could do what he does, and take a bullet, to be fair). But if I were American, I'd be confident - after a term, I would have an America that more accurately reflects my world view, than I would from a term with Harris. I repeat this, as this is essentially my yardstick for voting - and what, I assume, was largely what people use to determine voting choices; will A result in a 'better outcome' than B, using my terms of reference for 'better'(?).
brb, cities are on fire. The Brits are revolting.
Not gonna lie, Kamala explaining cloud storage did brighten my morning. Just for an experiment, could you guys put your 'best' people forward, next time, and see how that goes?
https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1819870570634211833 | |
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| Ignorant_Florist wrote:
But I'll be happy if she can restore women's body autonomy (even if I personally disagree with abortions.... it's not MY right to demand someone else live by MY beliefs), | |
Do you believe everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Do you believe that we should defend the weakest amongst us?
Tell me Mr. body autonomy, who's in a weaker and more defenseless position than a baby in the womb? Even a quadriplegic can speak for him or herself.
Sorry there, unborn child, I don't agree with abortions, but I don't have the right (or guts) to defend you. | |
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What would Trump have to do for you to think “maybe he isn’t the best thing for the country?” even with your disapproval for the Democratic Party. What’s the bar (for you personally)? | |
Before PtA replied, and even more after, my imagined answer if I were in his shoes was that "he felt that Trump would result in a better America, after a term." with better being the subjective view 'relative to his terms of reference', than the opposing candidate.
As I reflected on that, I did hit upon a novel (for me) and scary view - that you could both be right.
Harris could result in a better America 'for you', and a worse America 'for him'. The idea that you're both right - and that it is now impossible to find a candidate who 'does' appeal to everyone - that's a concern.
I don't think many people point to Trump as an exceptional human being (although not many his age could do what he does, and take a bullet, to be fair). But if I were American, I'd be confident - after a term, I would have an America that more accurately reflects my world view, than I would from a term with Harris. I repeat this, as this is essentially my yardstick for voting - and what, I assume, was largely what people use to determine voting choices; will A result in a 'better outcome' than B, using my terms of reference for 'better'(?).
brb, cities are on fire. The Brits are revolting.
Not gonna lie, Kamala explaining cloud storage did brighten my morning. Just for an experiment, could you guys put your 'best' people forward, next time, and see how that goes?
https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1819870570634211833 | |
I've seen a few things on it, probably somewhat one sided. Sounds like Starmer is an idiot, and this is a pro 2A case if I've ever seen one.
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| | P: | 08/05/2024 10:36 EST | | E: | 08/05/2024 10:36 EST |
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cities are on fire. The Brits are revolting.
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You said it, they stink on ice
-Mel Brooks as King Louis XVI in History of the World Part 2
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Well, the people who claimed Trump would start WW3 and crash the economy are starting WW3 and crashing the economy. - someone, probably
I'm sure Kamala has a stellar plan for this. | |
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| Prelude to Agony wrote:
| Shemmie wrote:
| EnginGhent wrote:
I don't think many people point to Trump as an exceptional human being (although not many his age could do what he does, and take a bullet, to be fair). But if I were American, I'd be confident - after a term, I would have an America that more accurately reflects my world view, than I would from a term with Harris.
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Biden voter here horrified to admit I'd be better off with a Trump presidency, but, I am leaned 5 degrees over onto that side of the aisle.
But I don't really *want* Trump, nor do I plan on voting for him (or Harris). | |
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| | P: | 08/05/2024 11:32 EST |
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border crisis seems to be a big point every 4 years. how will trump accomplish it this time around? had 4 years in office, with 2 years full republican control and couldn't get anything completed. what will be different this time around? is mexico actually going to pay for it this time? | |
Are you serious? He forced Mexico to agree to the "Remain in Mexico" policy he instituted for asylum applicants, which, was "H-U-G-E"
The bottom line is that illegal border crossings under Trump were way, way, down from what they've been under this current administration.
If you don't acknowledge that, you're either extremely misinformed or dishonest. | |
that lowered the number of legal crossings. however, illegal remained the same. we all know how well laws and papers work for people that dont want to follow laws. | |
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| | P: | 08/05/2024 11:40 EST |
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| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet wrote:
| Prelude to Agony wrote:
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Biden voter here horrified to admit I'd be better off with a Trump presidency, but, I am leaned 5 degrees over onto that side of the aisle.
But I don't really *want* Trump, nor do I plan on voting for him (or Harris). | |
i plan on writing in Xeno for my vote. get the first asian up there | |
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| Prelude to Agony wrote:
Well, the people who claimed Trump would start WW3 and crash the economy are starting WW3 and crashing the economy. - someone, probably
I'm sure Kamala has a stellar plan for this.
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No new wars. More money in everybody's pocket. Wisely did not mandate lockdowns nationwide. Accelerated the destruction of Isis.
Most importantly, Trump is the candidate who would put an end to the war in Ukraine.
We need to stop funding Ukraine, stop provoking war, the Harris admin will continue with this policy. Waste of lives and money and represents an inflection point in the downward spiral of the US.
EDIT: my disclaimer continues to be that I'm not voting for Trump, even though I'd be better off with him in office. LoL. | |
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| EnginGhent wrote:
What would Trump have to do for you to think “maybe he isn’t the best thing for the country?” even with your disapproval for the Democratic Party. What’s the bar (for you personally)? | |
Before PtA replied, and even more after, my imagined answer if I were in his shoes was that "he felt that Trump would result in a better America, after a term." with better being the subjective view 'relative to his terms of reference', than the opposing candidate.
As I reflected on that, I did hit upon a novel (for me) and scary view - that you could both be right.
Harris could result in a better America 'for you', and a worse America 'for him'. The idea that you're both right - and that it is now impossible to find a candidate who 'does' appeal to everyone - that's a concern.
I don't think many people point to Trump as an exceptional human being (although not many his age could do what he does, and take a bullet, to be fair). But if I were American, I'd be confident - after a term, I would have an America that more accurately reflects my world view, than I would from a term with Harris. I repeat this, as this is essentially my yardstick for voting - and what, I assume, was largely what people use to determine voting choices; will A result in a 'better outcome' than B, using my terms of reference for 'better'(?).
brb, cities are on fire. The Brits are revolting.
Not gonna lie, Kamala explaining cloud storage did brighten my morning. Just for an experiment, could you guys put your 'best' people forward, next time, and see how that goes?
https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1819870570634211833
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Holy shit dude, you're like, the most well-written person I've ever seen on the forums.
No wonder you don't join much. But you sound like a genius.
EDIT: use your eloquence to become a politician. | |
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| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet wrote:
| Prelude to Agony wrote:
Well, the people who claimed Trump would start WW3 and crash the economy are starting WW3 and crashing the economy. - someone, probably
I'm sure Kamala has a stellar plan for this.
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No new wars. More money in everybody's pocket. Wisely did not mandate lockdowns nationwide. Accelerated the destruction of Isis.
Most importantly, Trump is the candidate who would put an end to the war in Ukraine.
We need to stop funding Ukraine, stop provoking war, the Harris admin will continue with this policy. Waste of lives and money and represents an inflection point in the downward spiral of the US.
EDIT: my disclaimer continues to be that I'm not voting for Trump, even though I'd be better off with him in office. LoL. | |
I'm pretty much in the same boat, haha. If I vote I want it to be for someone and not against the "greater evil."
But the Democrats do have to lose. It's the only thing that can make them look inward at what a dumpster fire they've become and hopefully change for the better.
Glad to see public sentiment about Ukraine finally changing. Too bad we can't necropost on two-year-old threads. "Hey friends, see how Ukraine is going? Still think I'm the crazy one?" | |
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