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[IOD]Snips
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|  | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:34 EST |
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I dove headfirst into the whole cheap monitor shopping, thinking I could handle it with my insane organization & research abilities in 8hours. Nope, it took several days. I wanted to buy the best monitor I could for around $300. I wanted to share some things gamers should look for, things to avoid and other review sites to checkout that you might find value in if you're willing to read through this.
I've known about most of the topics in great detail already, but had to educate myself about the newer technologies that deblur through various strobing technologies. This throws a monkey wrench as some of these strobing technologies running at 240hz can be more effective for gaming then one without strobing at 360hz. And yet some strobing technologies are very weak compared to other newer ones. I wanted to share a few things incase any of you were in the market for a cheap & yet powerful gaming monitor.
Teach yourself about the ultimate monitors at $1000 & beyond first. Understand the technologies they have & seek alternatives that might be present in the cheaper models. If you attempt to buy a used monitor, you'll know what to look for too!
Things to consider:
price
hz - this is effectively motion resolution.
resolution - this is effectively still resolution.
screen size - this is measured diagonally, so the "area" grows more than expected.
slower panel type - VA, IPS 2nd slowest (most common)
fast panel type - OLED fastest (most expensive), TN 2nd fastest
pixel response time - 1ms. Often much higher on rtings.com reviews, especially if IPS which is 95% of higher hz panels.
60hz 4k panel is blurry as shit during fast motion, thus during high motion its resolution sucks. Identify the application/game your primary intent this display is for above all else. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:36 EST |
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ULMB 2 - This is the ultimate strobing. Currently only available on a handful of 1440p 360hz gaming monitors. The effects are comparable to what might be expected from a future 1000hz gaming monitor without strobing from what I've read.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/g-sync-ultra-low-m...
DyAc2 - This is the 2nd best. The DyAc+ isn't too far behind that one either. These are limited to the Benq Zowie brand gaming monitors that have the fast TN panels. Before the very recent ULMB2 this used to be the best possible option.
The other technologies suck to insert a black frame to remove ghosting & create crystal clear images even when moving exceptionally fast. You have ELMB, ULMB (the first version) and many others. I didn't go down the rabbit hole on these as they all suck compared to the two best strobing technologies above. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:38 EST |
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There are some youtube videos that suggest all 360hz or higher gaming monitors suck because they're almost all IPS which are quite slower then TN panels. When a large number of these tend to be lying about their 1ms response time, there are some valid points to this. This is a reminder to always visit sites such as https://www.rtings.com & look at a 3rd party pixel response times while at a monitors maximum hz. A manufacturer can claim anything, but a 2000fps camera reveals all. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:41 EST |
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If you're playing slow games like hearthstone, world of warcraft, TF2, or a card game then a 4k or higher resolution makes sense. The slow action in-between frames makes higher hz upgrades much less noticeable.
If you're playing TFC or other fast motion titles, you want a higher hz above everything else. If you're spinning around shooting enemies under the grate, sniping guys on the bridge, or literally turning as someone comes charging down your spiral to steal your flag the thing many gamers don't realize is if someone took a picture of the fastest scenes occurring they would be blurry. The effective resolution of what your eyes see are a blurry mess & this is because of the hz or number of fps your monitor is delivering to your eyeballs. A sign hanging on the wall in-game can be read when your mouse is still, but when you start to move it on some displays it becomes blurry while others it remains razor sharp. You want a razor sharp clear image that is buttery smooth while you're looking around during the highest action scenes in a game. And this can only occur when the fps & hz are at very high levels.
Go here, check out the different moving photos. Is the map razor sharp on your monitor? What about above 960 pixels/sec? I don't care about how pretty still images are in a fast paced game, I care about how sharp the gameplay is when I'm spinning around or trying to flick shoot an enemy in the face with a shotgun as he's concing past me. There are plenty of online tests to see what your display can do during high motion scenes.
https://www.testufo.com/photo
1080p@480hz is WAY better than 1440p@120hz. This is assuming both pixel response times are at 1ms or lower and they're not lying about their performance.
Either of these panels after being tested on Rtings.com may reveal a great 2.14ms average pixel response time or a truly terrible 12ms average pixel response time (closer to 60hz real world performance). | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:44 EST |
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#1. Search used on Craigslist
People are desperate on craigslist to get a few bucks for their old gaming monitor when they're getting an upgrade or quitting computers altogether for whatever reason. The #1 worry about buying a brand new monitor online is the chance for dead pixels or their screen getting damaged during transit. However when buying one used, you can ask them before buying and verify that there are no dead pixels. Research the model on rtings.com for the specs & cross reference that with the in-depth amazon reviews for things such as how long the monitor typically lasts & any features or faults that were not mentioned elsewhere.
It's smarter to buy one used monitor per year for cheap as long as it's a newer model with newer technologies. Instead of buying a brand new model once every 4-5 years. Just checkout your craigslist, someone might be selling 240hz-360hz gaming monitors for $50-$100 in your area!
2. Search on Amazon
Going to skip recommending eBay as you're out of luck if the panel arrives damaged or ends up with bad pixels either due to a lying seller or while sitting in a frozen truck somewhere while going through the postal system to you. Simply buy from Amazon, and return the display if the pixels are dead or the screen is damaged. Beware of bad reviews however, some manufacturers are known to have a high failure rate where it's not uncommon to have to buy 3-5 monitors before you get one that's good. Beware of monitors without a company website, there are countless chinese no-name brands selling monitors with no warranty. Most of those have never been tested by a third party which is the biggest red flag of them all. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 07:47 EST |
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So a 360hz panel is better than a 240hz panel.
Things get less clear with a 240hz TN DyAc2 panel vs a 360hz IPS panel, as the DyAc2 is going to be better. But what if we compared that with a 480hz IPS panel?
The challenging thing is IPS looks best & is in most cases significantly worse then TN panels for motion or pixel response times, but not always. Best to leave the final judgements upto the ultra high speed cameras showing the final pixel rise/fall results by reading reviews.
I've said it before but I'll repeat it here as it's appropriate.
1000ms (1 second) divided by your hz = The time in between every new frame being drawn on screen:
1000 / 60 = 16.67ms
1000 / 120 = 8.33ms
1000 / 144 = 6.94ms
1000 / 240 = 4.16ms
1000 / 280 = 3.57ms
1000 / 360 = 2.77ms
1000 / 480 = 2.08ms
1000 / 520 = 1.92ms
1000 / 1000= 1.00ms
The average pixel response time MUST clear those numbers. If a 280hz panel has an average of 10ms pixel response time then it's going to be a blurry trainwreck at anything above 60hz, as the pixels can't respond fast enough in-between every new frame being drawn!
Blurbusters reported earlier this year, that 1000hz OLEDs will be commercialized by 2027, possibly with prototypes announced before then. So keep in mind LCDs at 1000hz will arrive sooner but are going to be struggling with ghosting & overshoot. OLEDs are the ultimate dream, as pixel response times of 0.03ms can get even faster over time with that technology. The 1ms time of 1000hz is likely the limit for human vision too. After this the race for brightness & resolution with OLED being the clear winner in the years afterwards will be all that's left. As LCD panels fight for larger & cheaper alternatives that struggle to compete. | |
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 08:17 EST |
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Two days ago I picked up a 2016 LG 65" OLED (OLED65B6P) tv used for $60 on craigslist. There is very minor burn-in on the bottom but that is barely noticeable. The big issue I'm still working on is that the color yellow (and most of orange) is gone. However, after lowering the OLED brightness a bit & adjusting the advanced color section in the settings I've gotten a portion of the yellow back & part of the orange spectrum.
This display looks impossibly good with super dark scenes in a room without lights, like oh my god. The infinite contrast ratio with OLED is just crazy. Before picking it up I had sent the guy a follow up message about the $60 in cash just in case he meant to say $600, but he was buying another one & just wanted this one hauled away asap for $60!
https://www.electronicexpress.com/catalog/194513/LG-OLED65B6...
Because the colors arn't perfect I'll continue to use my 65" Vizio 2018 TV with Quantum LED with 2400 nits peak brightness for most movies.
This OLED's pixel response time is 0.1ms, however it can only do 60hz so that's 16.67ms in-between frames, and add to that the input lag at best is rated at 27.8ms so this is a NO for first person shooter gaming. Still, what a find!
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6-oled | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 08:20 EST |
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I just picked up 240hz LG 27GN760-B Gaming monitor for $80 on craigslist yesterday! This will be my new TFC gaming monitor... I'm so excited!
27 inches
1080p
IPS display
1ms response time
240hz with G-Sync
I wasn't aware that 24" 240hz monitors were selling for under $150 brand new on Amazon lately and I have been gaming on a 120hz display the last few years. I'm excited to tryout G-Sync for the very first time this morning, compare if there's any input lag or possible issues to v-sync off. According to the amazon reviews, this LG model is known to suddenly & randomly DIE after about 1-3 years, so I'm hoping I get a year or more out of it.
The rise/fall grey-to-grey averaged at 3.4ms with little to no overshoot. For $80 this will give me an idea of what a true 240hz & what G-Sync is like, along with a guaranteed zero dead pixels as I was able to test it before buying it on the spot with a laptop. I didn't feel comfortable buying a no-name 360hz display from amazon that had no pixel response time tests performed on them.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gn750-b | |
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| | | P: | 08/30/2024 18:46 EST |
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As much as I hate to break the streak, you have now posted as the only person in a thread 9 times. Less walls of text and more of this:! https://www.lunaticrage.com/drippy/forum.php?a=vt&f=4&t=1885... Cracked me up.
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My son keeps chewing electrical cords. I really need to ground him until he conducts himself properly. | |
Ohm, that was quite good Gaba. Did he put up much resistance? I assume you don't ground him often, is he over the initial shock?
It sounds like he needs an outlet for his emotions instead. Just glad a sensible adult is in charge. Hopefully this was just a phase. What a transformer you are Gaba. There were some real positives and negatives that this happened.
Hope your son Wattson is okay. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/31/2024 02:36 EST |
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I never know if people like my sense of humor, lol. I try to put thought into my humor whenever possible.
I tried to reply shorter times so anybody with questions or thoughts could reply, and perhaps they could read it faster/easier.
I wanted to share what took me hundreds of tabs & three days of work into a guide that will set someone with a limited budget on the right path to a great gaming display.
The only thing more sad than $900 144hz monitors in 2024 is the fact there are people willing to buy them. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 08/31/2024 02:40 EST |
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I also wrote this thread as I wanted to share my exciting craigslist used oled & 244hz ips display finds here so I posted them earlier up.
Just remember to avoid a gaming monitor for fast action unless you can see pixel response time measurements by a third party such as rtings.com or another review site. The claim of "1ms response time" are false too many times as they're measuring different things to arrive at that claim.
If anybody wants to bounce ideas off a display that they are heavily considering to purchase feel free to post here too. Trying to help gamers find good deals on cheaper new or high quality used displays. | |
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