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[IOD]Snips
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|  | | P: | 10/30/2024 04:06 EST |
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Electric Cars
I'm all for electric cars, they'll be the future & when using Solar power recharging becomes free. There are big problems still, but you push forward past those. The early internet had big problems, but you didn't rally against the start of the internet obviously.
*Of course there are fucking nightmares currently with electric vehicles*
*minor issue(most say is a major): Recharge times
120v 15A typical home electrical outlet is the slowest charge possible and is typically 4Mph. This roughly means that after 1hour of draining 1400watts constantly from the electrical grid, you've added 4 miles of driving capability into the battery of the car. There are much faster 240v charging ports you can install in your home or garage for $500-$3000 similar to your clothing dryer machine letting you pour over 15-20Mph into the battery, but I'm saying a standard unmodified home outlet does add power to cars too.
There will be a future with a new type of battery that will let you charge with 20,000 watts or factors of many times higher into a battery at home or at a charging station. This will need some brand new type of battery technology, perhaps Graphite instead of Lithium. But someday you'll simply plugin similar to a gas station for a quick stop to completely recharge from dead to full. Retarded people assume current 2024 battery technology will be identical in 2030-2040.
*major issue is ethical (most have no fucking idea this exists): Cobalt mining
Cobalt mining in the Congo with a majority of the mines owned by China have slave like labor working with hand tools. Hundreds of thousands of men, women & children making a few dollars a day breathing toxic fumes & handling chemicals. This is a result of needing Cobalt for batteries. While smartphones need this, obviously electric cars need significantly more. This is a political/ethical issue mostly ignored by the public or news, which could be fixed if nations or companies stepped up to replace the sea of people with modern day construction equipment. Eventually newer/better battery technologies then Lithium will come & Cobalt won't be needed too. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 04:07 EST |
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CURRENT ELECTRIC COST TO DRIVE
So across like the cheapest dozen or so states at 10 cents per KWH which stands for Killowatt hour or consuming 1000 watts for one hour. At 1400watts constantly put into a car for 1hour roughly gives the battery 4 miles of driving capability. This makes the cheapest dozen US states for electricity cost about 14 cents to drive 4 miles or $1.40 to drive 40 miles. Sure if you live in CA or Hawaii, the cost of electricity is extremely high. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 04:08 EST |
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ROOFTOP SOLAR (most popular)
Rooftop solar power has always interested me but appears to be a scam or contains cost related issues that I've never understood. The fault lies within the pricing & not the solar panels themselves. Solar power has dropped to $1 per watt or less when buying your own 100W or larger solar panels. And yet if you wanted 8000 watts of panels to be professionally installed on your roof they'll want like $40,000 lol. Um, no thank you. Why the price isnt $7k-$10k is beyond me. Where that extra $30-32k is going I have no clue. Sure roofers have to eat, but I don't know. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 04:08 EST |
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DIY SOLAR for CHEAP = 4MPH free electricity into your car at home
Doing it yourself solar in your front or back yard is relatively cheap & easy enough. You could spend a few hundred dollars on a solar charge controller, another few hundred on a pure sine wave inverter. Then the 2 biggest costs would be solar panels themselves & the 12v batteries. If you spent $2000 buying 2000watts of solar panels, that's just ten 200w panels in your backyard. Spend another $2000 or so buying a fleet of deep cycle 12v marine batteries to put that energy into and you're done. When the sun is shining you're putting 1500-2000w into the battery bank. If your car is parked at home, you can plug it into this setup and pull 4 MPH from the batteries into your car. You can put 40miles worth of traveling electricity into your car every day. Or simply stock up on a bigger bank of batteries that can hold more than 1 days worth of electricity captured for even longer charging sessions overnight! While buying a ton of 12v batteries would be expensive initially, realize that you could pour 3-5 days worth of sunshine into your car day & night. If your EV was dead friday night, by sunday night you'd have added 192 miles into your car's battery out of your battery bank that was purely from the sun. Reduce this output by 75% during cloudy weather, and 90% during extreme rain/thunderstorms. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 04:10 EST |
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ELECTRICITY IS GOING TO BE *EXPENSIVE*! Extra expensive if Bitcoin skyrockets in price, which IMO is likely.
In the future Bitcoin increasing in price will drive up the cost of consumer electricity. Continued icecap melting, freak hurricane/typhoons & forest fires will drive up the cost of gasoline. There will be more wars affecting oil & inflation is going to last a lot longer than people realize because most countries printed money in 2020 & not just the US.
You also have to understand that bitcoin mining machines convert electricity into bitcoin, there are industrial miners & residential smaller miner machines. Many are break even currently, but if the value of btc climbed 10x or higher, then obviously the demand to convert electricity into $$ naturally absorbs electricity generation nationwide increasing the cost of energy across every state & even globally.
Minimum wage might be $25+ in the future. A gallon of gas might be $10 & electricity might be $1 per KWH or higher. When Bitcoin becomes $1 million, it's not a matter of trying to determine if gas vs electricity is cheaper THAT YEAR for driving, but rather how can you fill up your car for FREE over the long-term. The answer is non-rooftop solar panels that you buy & setup yourself.
When it comes to Solar power however, the cost of your solar setup mostly consisting of panels & batteries will continue to deliver FREE power to your car regardless of external future costs. Solar panels work even after 30 years. The large & heavy 12v batteries will have to be replaced eventually due to wear and tear, but even that is massively reduced so long as either:
A)Recharge your car only when the sun is shining & never at night, equals less stress on the batteries
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B)You build a large array of batteries to the point where each one isn't being used that much from 100% down to like 90% or less daily. If you're draining the batteries down to 50% or less before fully recharging them, they'll need replacing many years sooner. | |
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Starting in 2030, the TFC Pyro has to stop using fossil fuels for the flamethrower and all TFC Pyros have to switch to an electric taser system and carry EMPs. This has been mandated by VIP with the umbrella and all teams (Red, Blue, Yellow, Green) have to abide. There's been some push back on this from the Green team, ironically, and they are set to debate the topic in the ramp room in a couple of days. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 09:26 EST |
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In 2fort, Green backpacks have been replaced with Green paper bags to help with the environment. Inside you will find 1/4th the ammo typically found, as the paper is weak and the ammo is heavy. When throwing a bag to your friendly engineer there is a 75% chance it will tear destroying all metals it contained for building.
The elevator & door usage in 2fort hasn't been wasting too much energy, except for the basement resupply room. There is a player by the name of KILMOV who opens & closes that door approximately 120 times per hour. This player insists his basement's lights remain at maximum brightness even when there are no enemies nearby. The fireplace burns day & night, when talks of removing the flame it was KILMOV who insists he's cold without it and that the fireplace must burn even at night when nobody plays. KILMOV isn't capable of killing anything except our planet! | |
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JiK MAZZ
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 13:33 EST | | E: | 10/30/2024 13:34 EST |
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If I recall correctly Tesla is producing Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries for the standard range Models 3 and Y that contain no cobalt. I think since 2022ish. So the technology already exists but it has to be upscaled, and it may not work for all vehicle models. | |
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Boo Boo
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| | | P: | 10/30/2024 21:06 EST |
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 | [IOD]Snips wrote:
ROOFTOP SOLAR (most popular)
Rooftop solar power has always interested me but appears to be a scam or contains cost related issues that I've never understood. The fault lies within the pricing & not the solar panels themselves. Solar power has dropped to $1 per watt or less when buying your own 100W or larger solar panels. And yet if you wanted 8000 watts of panels to be professionally installed on your roof they'll want like $40,000 lol. Um, no thank you. Why the price isnt $7k-$10k is beyond me. Where that extra $30-32k is going I have no clue. Sure roofers have to eat, but I don't know. | |
Electric vehicles would be great for the environment...someday. In the gulf coast where we have hurricanes we can be a week or more without electricity to charge cars, and what happens when you depend on solar panels when there is no sun? NOT to mention that coal buring plant that is the source of electricity to your home. I think that it is a great idea, but technology to make it actually work is not even close yet. | |
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| | | P: | 10/31/2024 03:41 EST |
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An incredible 3min drone flythrough of the Berlin giga factory where they automate the car making. The size of that factory & how they make the cars is amazing to see. The idea of factories like that being solar powered is amazing. Sure the upfront carbon cost for like 6months or whatever for making tons of solar panels would be bad, but for the next 30+ years it would be zero emissions free energy power such a factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4yOx1CnXE
| Electric vehicles would be great for the environment...someday. In the gulf coast where we have hurricanes we can be a week or more without electricity to charge cars, and what happens when you depend on solar panels when there is no sun? NOT to mention that coal buring plant that is the source of electricity to your home. I think that it is a great idea, but technology to make it actually work is not even close yet. | |
The US electrical grid is a trainwreck. If/when America re-designs the grid to be hackproof & hardened against EMP/Solar Flares, the efficiency of power redistribution and simply moving payloads of energy as needed would follow.
Like when my weather turns to a white sky & am not sure where the sun is at, I lose 75% of my solar panel output. So I would assume a 10,000 watt panel setup would still be delivering 2,500 watts during rain. Now very dark thunderclouds & I'd assume during a hurricane this is 90% so only 1,000 watts during that event. If you have way more panels then you need, solar is always enough.
There are huge stretches of deserts or worthless land in many states, where people would rather be burning coal, natural gas or wind farms. The biggest enemy of Solar is energy storage, as only when the sun is shining can it generate energy. (well moonlight does generate electricity too, but a 365watt panel would only generate 1watt at night)
If you ever buy a 5watt hand crank generator, it's fun for the first 10 seconds to realize the effort needed for a basic slow phone charging or usb powered device. It sucks after 30seconds because it's a lot of work to do non-stop. And likewise it's amazing how very small a 5watt solar panel is generating the same amount of work.
In less than 80 minutes, enough sunlight hits the entire earth that is solar energy equivalent to the total world's energy usage for a full year.
I loved the initial concept of Elon Musks solar rooftop tiles, but that cost was too crazy high. If they were able to mass produce them enough so that the cost equaled $1 per watt, most rooftops would naturally translate into personal power generators transferring unused electricity back to the grid (earning credits) & our nation would likely have too much electricity to know what to do with during the day. Wouldn't need solar farms in deserts anymore either. | |
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| [IOD]Snips wrote:
ROOFTOP SOLAR (most popular)
Rooftop solar power has always interested me but appears to be a scam or contains cost related issues that I've never understood. The fault lies within the pricing & not the solar panels themselves. Solar power has dropped to $1 per watt or less when buying your own 100W or larger solar panels. And yet if you wanted 8000 watts of panels to be professionally installed on your roof they'll want like $40,000 lol. Um, no thank you. Why the price isnt $7k-$10k is beyond me. Where that extra $30-32k is going I have no clue. Sure roofers have to eat, but I don't know. | |
Electric vehicles would be great for the environment...someday. In the gulf coast where we have hurricanes we can be a week or more without electricity to charge cars, and what happens when you depend on solar panels when there is no sun? NOT to mention that coal buring plant that is the source of electricity to your home. I think that it is a great idea, but technology to make it actually work is not even close yet. | |
I believe the coal fired plants will be replaced by fusion reactors. Timeline tbd but I regularly see breakthroughs in plasma confinements and sustained burns after successful ignitions. | |
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Boo Boo
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| | | P: | 10/31/2024 20:17 EST | | E: | 10/31/2024 20:17 EST |
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| [IOD]Snips wrote:
An incredible 3min drone flythrough of the Berlin giga factory where they automate the car making. The size of that factory & how they make the cars is amazing to see. The idea of factories like that being solar powered is amazing. Sure the upfront carbon cost for like 6months or whatever for making tons of solar panels would be bad, but for the next 30+ years it would be zero emissions free energy power such a factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4yOx1CnXE
| Electric vehicles would be great for the environment...someday. In the gulf coast where we have hurricanes we can be a week or more without electricity to charge cars, and what happens when you depend on solar panels when there is no sun? NOT to mention that coal buring plant that is the source of electricity to your home. I think that it is a great idea, but technology to make it actually work is not even close yet. | |
The US electrical grid is a trainwreck. If/when America re-designs the grid to be hackproof & hardened against EMP/Solar Flares, the efficiency of power redistribution and simply moving payloads of energy as needed would follow.
Like when my weather turns to a white sky & am not sure where the sun is at, I lose 75% of my solar panel output. So I would assume a 10,000 watt panel setup would still be delivering 2,500 watts during rain. Now very dark thunderclouds & I'd assume during a hurricane this is 90% so only 1,000 watts during that event. If you have way more panels then you need, solar is always enough.
There are huge stretches of deserts or worthless land in many states, where people would rather be burning coal, natural gas or wind farms. The biggest enemy of Solar is energy storage, as only when the sun is shining can it generate energy. (well moonlight does generate electricity too, but a 365watt panel would only generate 1watt at night)
If you ever buy a 5watt hand crank generator, it's fun for the first 10 seconds to realize the effort needed for a basic slow phone charging or usb powered device. It sucks after 30seconds because it's a lot of work to do non-stop. And likewise it's amazing how very small a 5watt solar panel is generating the same amount of work.
In less than 80 minutes, enough sunlight hits the entire earth that is solar energy equivalent to the total world's energy usage for a full year.
I loved the initial concept of Elon Musks solar rooftop tiles, but that cost was too crazy high. If they were able to mass produce them enough so that the cost equaled $1 per watt, most rooftops would naturally translate into personal power generators transferring unused electricity back to the grid (earning credits) & our nation would likely have too much electricity to know what to do with during the day. Wouldn't need solar farms in deserts anymore either. | |
Yeah, and hurricanes would not be kind to rooftop solar panels.
| I believe the coal fired plants will be replaced by fusion reactors. Timeline tbd but I regularly see breakthroughs in plasma confinements and sustained burns after successful ignitions. | |
A much cleaner source of energy than coal for sure.
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 11/02/2024 03:12 EST |
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The Trump interview on Joe Rogan recently, Trump was bad mouthing coal and wind power, but he didn't specifically say anything about solar power. But he was praising oil & gas. Trump did speak of nuclear with mixed words, acknowledging how clean it is but also reflecting on how other countries build them smaller & much better than us.
I think something that is obvious, but neither side wants to acknowledge is just how outdated, inefficient & easy-to-attack(hack) our three national energy grids are. Like I can't imagine a president stepping up & saying forget sending money to Ukraine or building a wall, our power grid is the lifeline of the American businesses & food for its citizens. Our pathetic power grid will be the 1st target of a digital world war in the future, and it might cost $1 trillion or more to completely redesign today. If it collapsed for 6+ months, 90% of Americans would die. Democrats or Republicans wouldn't want to touch that project before an attack or war, just like neither wanted to entertain the idea of an airborne pandemic prior to 2020.
While China pushes virtualization & the background technologies that run behind the scenes in services such as Netflix to kids & young adults in HS/College (advanced coding), Americans learn old technologies. You won't find cryptocurrency or decentralized applications or blockchain concepts in schools & universities outside of China because in America we catchup or react, we no longer lead or build the future, SADLY. | |
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 11/02/2024 03:17 EST |
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We should set-up solar panel manufacturing plants in America, powered by solar power only. When mass producing them through Automation (put Elon Musk in charge), they'll become 50 cents or cheaper per watt. Put solar panels on top of every single roof in America, or incorporate them into every new rooftop tile (can't tell they're solar by appearance). When they're built inside the rooftop tiles, they can withstand baseball hail & extreme weather. Or setup the more expensive tile/weatherproof options in the hurricane/tornado states + make them an expensive options for richer neighborhoods that want to pay extra.
The initial cost will be enormous, first 6months of pollution to make them would be crazy. After that though, you have 30-50+ years of free electricity during the day. When one state is cloudy/stormy, the other states simply redirect electricity or energy towards the states that needs it. With massive excess electricity, we can start building everything China can but even cheaper as China's coal costs money & solar costs nothing to maintain.
America becomes the biggest AI farm & decentralized (btc mining) place on earth, as both are incredibly electricity hungry. China is apparently building 1 coal powering plant per week still. Imagine free car charging, free commercial electricity in most states but only during the daytime when the abundance of free electricity is everywhere. All other forms of energy become evening/night/morning alternatives & are scaled back dramatically. Scale up nuclear a little bit for the non-peak sunlight hours, and then remove wind/naturalgas/coal/others as they cause problems. Giant solar panel farms could be removed as the average rooftop solar panels would be generating more power then the average house needs which pour into backup states or for commercial needs. | |
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I am skeptical solar panels are the way to go. Limited life expectancy, generates emissions to produce, cost per what down to fifty cents? Sounds great, if Elon can figure out a way to do that. But I basically think fusion reactors are the way of the future, just a question of who puts a reliable one to their grid first. I’m kinda thinking China. They have a huge incentive to wean off fossil fuels. | |
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