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EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet
Super Regular
FatGuy With
A LittleGun

P: 10/21/2021 06:52 EST
E: 10/23/2021 13:09 EST
    Just noticed! Grats!

Only took a couple years for us to surpass epz since he mostly quit, lol.

Edit

I’m a retard and he’s not number one yet.
  
Reckoner
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 10/21/2021 06:58 EST
    Actually, I'm still number 3, jaja :P

https://www.lunaticrage.com/drippy/stats/rankings.php?id=STE...
It's only for Medic specifically x__x #1

I do like stats, :p Gimme a few more weeks to make 200+ caps >___<
  
Reckoner
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 10/21/2021 07:32 EST
E: 10/21/2021 07:52 EST
    So many things to improve on as far as gameplay goes for me, besides mechanically (movement) - I notice like, when I look at my .dem files that my mouse movement is quite on the slow side actually.

- I'd like to work on 1 vs 1 situations a bit more, even though they're rare if it's in a full server with 26 players. >__<

Since I get "worried" about the possible flank from the enemy, it does put some urgency on how to engage other players (in specific positions/places on the map).

For sure I prefer to mostly play after a workout / fitness @ home - I'm just more relaxed and focused after a workout & shower :p Talking to Iggy & Help in the other thread helped me a lot <3 :) So I get on my hometrainer bike almost every day now.

I think Illusion (?) pointed out that the stats are a bit unrealistic, in the sense that of course on average I don't/can't cap as much in 13 vs 13 matches - I agree with them. I do play during European times also when there's like a 7vs7+ match.

So here's some of the scoreboards, to show that:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YoNwySsP2t51j5LpOuf6...
Edit:

Bonus Floating SG Image:
I didn't know it was possible, o_O

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1svfU2o3OXWnWST4-hEZLzWNBIP1...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1APG56BBPb6yXAdoV6Sjm4Bo5lfB...
  
-[IBSC]-iLluSiON-
Daycare Manager
Killer Scout

P: 10/21/2021 09:42 EST
    Reckoner said:
, I think Illusion (?) pointed out that the stats are a bit unrealistic
Doesn't matter. You're a relentless Dutch beast on O, no matter how many people are on :)
  
-[IBSC]-iLluSiON-
Daycare Manager
Killer Scout

P: 10/21/2021 09:56 EST
    I was gonna use that old 90s Jordan basketball phrase 'it's gotta be the shoes' but then reference clogs but then realized that's a deep autist cut and insensitive towards Dutch people.   
Help
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 10/21/2021 09:57 EST
    Look forward to seeing you on top of the boards! I prefer 6-9 players on teams way over 13. 2fort was never design to house that many. That and my connection, pc, or whatever shits on itself a bit with that many players.  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 10/21/2021 10:39 EST
    !whiner Help  
Help
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 10/21/2021 10:49 EST
    You misspelled winner 😁  
mmarino51589
Super Regular
Soldier Flag
Defense

P: 10/21/2021 14:25 EST
   
-[IBSC]-iLluSiON- wrote:
I was gonna use that old 90s Jordan basketball phrase 'it's gotta be the shoes' but then reference clogs but then realized that's a deep autist cut and insensitive towards Dutch people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTFdO4a_ew
  
gg#4
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 10/21/2021 14:30 EST
E: 10/21/2021 14:33 EST
    Epz did this in 75% of the hours though.

Not to diminish reckoner's stat. It is mighty impressive. Reckoner is a great medic. Just makes you scratch your head at how good epz was. AFAIK he played during peak hours being a NY player. I didnt play much when he was playing. Most of my hours logged at drippys is within the last 4 years.

I agree that time of day has a huge affect.

7v7 you can get so many caps. 13v13 it gets a bit harder given how easy 2fort is to defend and the tendency for players to gravitate towards defense
  
mmarino51589
Super Regular
Soldier Flag
Defense

P: 10/21/2021 14:47 EST
E: 10/21/2021 14:48 EST
   
7v7 you can get so many caps. 13v13 it gets a bit harder given how easy 2fort is to defend and the tendency for players to gravitate towards defense
There's a reason 2fort was questionable in some of the old 9v9 league rotations. Even 4O v 5D got a bit absurd at times...let alone on the occasions when Drippy's is in full 13v13 and there's any more than 5 or 6 guys on D. Not to mention the 2 HW / 2 Demo / 4 Engi / 3 Soldier stacks. It's actually not even worth trying to go O against 4 MIRV classes and 4 engi's. It just becomes more frustrating than what it's worth. There comes a point of diminishing returns where even the best (although somehow even brah can penetrate this kind of defense) can't make progress due to the choke points.

Still fun, no matter what, but the cost/benefit of running O in this scenario is more often just not even worth the effort
  
Reckoner
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 10/21/2021 15:46 EST
    Thank you @ y'all :P <3

The TFC scene/server/game would have obviously been healthier - competition wise if it was truly a professionally played game >__< ... Alas!

Just looking at the resources available to learn this game at entry level++ and higher or ways to practice (like on specialized maps with tools), well... it's quite ugly in that regard.

I think the best performing (professional) players/gamers I know of are:

Flash (Lee Young-ho) - Starcraft: Brood War https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Serral (Joona Sotala) - Starcraft 2 https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Serral
Rapha (Shane Hendrixson) - Quake (*) https://liquipedia.net/arenafps/Rapha
+ & "Insert-many-Game-Theory-Optimal Poker Players of the moment". ;)

I don't think any of the TFC players/legends come even close to these names - neither do I by any stretch of the imagination. Sure the competition can still be fierce for this game, but to me it doesn't reach the level just above it, despite the skill ceiling TFC has.

What are the advantages that individual players from the top TFC clans take to increase their performance? None of the following I'd expect: - From better nutrition, to exercising, studying the game and opponents further, getting coached by a pro etc. - Taking any advantage basically.

I'm just not impressed by this part of the scene. Starcraft 2 - for example - has an Archon Mode which is being used to practice at a high level. It can be a 1 vs 1, but it's Player 1 (solo, 1 race) vs Player 2, 3 & 4 (all together controlling 1 race, either Zerg, Protoss or Terran).
It's pretty nuts, but that's how the current World Champion won the title.

So this, along with other reasons is why I don't think that names such as brah & epz are all that impressive. I mean... are you still that impressed when they move past you (with like a dazzling conc), or do you just continue calculating what needs to be done in order to counter their game?
  
mmarino51589
Super Regular
Soldier Flag
Defense

P: 10/21/2021 16:02 EST
   
So this, along with other reasons is why I don't think that names such as brah & epz are all that impressive. I mean... are you still that impressed when they move past you (with like a dazzling conc), or do you just continue calculating what needs to be done in order to counter their game?
I think you make a good point. Anytime I get "beat" or someone makes me look shitty, I throw that in my mind and figure out what I did wrong and figure out how to handle that situation better the next time. I think alot of it comes down to a main factor: who can make a better prediction.

Learning someones play style and what tools they have in their "bag of tricks" is important to incorporate into your own playstyle. Here's an example:

Playing as demoman, there's two scenario's you'll usually face against a good offense: a good DM medic and a good movement scout. Being able to survive an attacking medic is one skill, and having good detonating discipline is an entirely different skill. I remember playing D against brah (he was scout) and being able to kill him on a flag touch with pipe dets pretty regularly. I have decent discipline and I'm not usually juked easily. However, brah found a way past my pipes, and I learned what he was doing, so I got better at anticipating his movement and behavior. In the end, he was still the better player, but I learned something from the experience and added it to my collection of play knowledge.

It's an arms race. Player A is better than player B. Player B learns what to do to be better, but Player A has also learned something new. A, B, A, B, it's a constant struggle to catch up to one another.

When the best players are facing the best players, a simple mistake can cost a match. Guys like brah and epz always find a way to make it through. They're too determined to win. A good D player can take the loss and learn from it, or stay the same and hope that next time it goes differently. That's the difference between the "skilled" and the "elite"
  
Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 10/21/2021 16:17 EST
E: 10/21/2021 16:19 EST
    I think you guys may be overthinking things.

At least, to a point.

The reason that "top tier" players not only GOT there, but STAYED there, is because, "Steel sharpens Steel".

When I joined a (granted, lower level) clan back in the early 2000s.... they, much like epz, and other players like him since, MADE me get better. Up until that point, I had only played(and often with close personal friends) for shits and giggles. The first clan I joined, changed how I viewed the game, and thus how I *played* the game. When that clan broke into two, and I went with one side.... they again made/forced me to get better(for the good of the team). Granted, I could have thrown up my hands and said, "Ah, fuck it.", and been done with competitive play... but I'd already learned a lot. So why not stick with it?

I had always been a primarily D player.... so it's what I was good at, no matter which map we played on. Conc-Aim, Predictive firing, grenade priming.... I got fairly good at them all. At least enough to help my team hold our own against others on our tier, as well as some of those above us. Notice, I said SOME.

Do I consider myself a "top tier d2f Player".... no, not so much any more. But I've got reasons for that. Anyway....

The thing is, we've ALL been "new to the game", there's a good chance most(if not all) of us have been fairly well GOOD at the game(on one level or another)....

So.... if someone gets a decent "stat" on this, the best of the remaining public servers still running 20+ years later.... Can't we just be happy for that person? Want to compete? Fine.... chase that record, and take it from them. But be civil about it.

Edit: Yes, alright? I'm stoned! Leave me the fuck alone before Gaba starts crying because I refuse to!
  
level1nobody
Super Regular
Cold Giver

P: 10/21/2021 16:39 EST
E: 10/21/2021 18:01 EST
    Heh, I gave up on trying to be consistently decent at any one thing. My attention span won't allow it.

I'll be in the basement and my laser focus will eventually break because I decided this random sentry over there needs a tele exit on top of it. And I don't think I've ever guarded top spiral for more than two minutes without wandering off. Sitting in the elevator as a heavy feels like I've been put in time out.

On O, I'll get killed by the same pipes 5x in a row because how could I remember that last O run - it was like *years* ago. I'll watch a sniper head-shot me because I decided wall-strafing across the bridge was more important than attempting the most basic of defensive maneuvers.
  
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