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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw

P: 04/28/2021 00:07 EST
    https://youtu.be/LonaiQTSiOo
Bad sandro.. what say you ralphy..
  
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Spoofer
Regular
WMD Creator

P: 04/28/2021 00:51 EST
    lol, I guess this is the new thing. XD  
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[SHS]Hitz
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 04/28/2021 01:36 EST
    He had his back to the respawn to start with, then he turned around to engage you. I’d say he wasn’t camping.  
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw

P: 04/28/2021 01:45 EST
    That's BS, Hitz.

https://ibb.co/DbwQ97B
clearly facing respawn door.
  
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[SHS]Hitz
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 04/28/2021 01:59 EST
    Yeah, you’re right. The “new model” threw me.   
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Backalleybuttlove
Regular
Strategic Sentry
Placer

P: 04/28/2021 02:44 EST
    It's a gray area, I'd say. Looks like he fired after he saw you as opposed to spamming rockets at the door.

Love the shotgun models, where did you get them?
  
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Matt_tfc
Super Regular
Shotgun Quick
Draw

P: 04/28/2021 03:34 EST
E: 04/28/2021 03:48 EST
    Unloads on freshly spawned player and ignores the infected demoman piping him in ramp room..? Hrmmm...

Here - https://sites.google.com/site/zzubyttihscustomtfc/home/model...
  
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Backalleybuttlove
Regular
Strategic Sentry
Placer

P: 04/28/2021 04:41 EST
    It looks like he sees the door open, then fires. Freshly spawned HW is a bigger threat than a demo piping the ramp room from that position. I've let people go as scout as I figured dodging them conferred a bigger advantage with them not seeing me rather than firing my nailgun and exposing myself. Could be a strategy, why waste rockets on the camping demo far away when you can fire on newly spawned players who are a bigger threat.

2nd floor respawn things tend to be a gray area as that's a hot area of the map. I frankly think there should be more leeway with respect to spamming that respawn. "There are legitimate reasons to spam the spawn as well." That's literally on the server rules.
  
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Help
Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 04/28/2021 07:35 EST
    Did he do it multiple times? If so, than he deserves a punishment. If not, emotions get the best of everyone now and then.   
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Spoofer
Regular
WMD Creator

P: 04/28/2021 08:47 EST
E: 04/28/2021 08:51 EST
    Yeah, they might be right, maybe.

He might've been trying to make it to RR to take care of that demo, but been held back and stuck in front of spawn by the demo's keepout (you see some of the pipe explosions). Hearing spawn footsteps, he'd know someone was about to drop on his position when he's already at half H/A and somewhat stuck, and decided to defend himself pre-emptively since he'd have a better chance at catching them off guard than the demo. (Or not, and he was just camping, Idk.)

I occasionally "defend" myself from footsteps too if I'm legitimately trying to pass by and I feel it's my only or best option, especially if I know the person who's likely spawning is a genuine threat. I do try to delay until I see the whites of their eyes at least (which is an eternity compared to my usual pre-emptive firing based on sound cues). Or if my team is fighting for 2f or boxroom flag and I or others have just nuked their whole team, and I hear 27 footsteps coming out of spawn to immediately begin respamming the flag, I have no qualms about timing my nade so I catch them just as they exit.

Those still might be against the rules, IDK, but I think it's pretty clear I never intend to get cheap spawn kills, and my intent has more immediate and strategic relation to the game's goal. Idk.
  
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EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet
Super Regular
Dizzy Capper

P: 04/28/2021 08:48 EST
    It’s a fine line but I believe he was facing the demo hardly shown in the video in the ramp room to your right. You came out and he reflexively engaged but I don’t think it was camping for a cheap kill.   
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EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet
Super Regular
Dizzy Capper

P: 04/28/2021 08:50 EST
   
Matt_tfc wrote:
Unloads on freshly spawned player and ignores the infected demoman piping him in ramp room..? Hrmmm...

Here - https://sites.google.com/site/zzubyttihscustomtfc/home/model...
You were closer and more of a threat. Makes sense to me. I would’ve / have done similar.
  
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Murf
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 04/28/2021 09:26 EST
    He heard the door open and knew he was about to be engaged. Grey area methinks.

A+ for editing though.
  
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drippy-
Unreasonable Dictator
Hot Roasted
Sniper Delivery

P: 04/28/2021 09:42 EST
    from his POV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAfh0gJDryk
(F for editing)
  
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sp0t
Super Regular
Flaming Rocket
Dancer

P: 04/28/2021 09:47 EST
    With the freeze-frame titles I kept expecting it to say "The 10th film by Quentin Tarantino"  
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