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LGMB95033
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Strategic Sentry
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P: 07/20/2021 23:11 EST
   
Poll: Intent?
Legal kill (27%)
Cheap kill (73%)
Time remaining: 3 days. 15 total votes. Vote for an option by clicking on it.
https://youtu.be/08mEmkQQasw
  
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Super Regular
Crack-Powered Capper

P: 07/20/2021 23:24 EST
E: 07/20/2021 23:26 EST
    Wow, I can’t believe you just sit back and watch hoping he fires upon you. I feel like you were collateral damage at first as he moves past you to keep attacking the tele as you bloody watch. At this point, it is probably a cheap kill, but dang it man don’t stop playing.  
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LGMB95033
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P: 07/20/2021 23:45 EST
    At first, I wondered why he shot me so I stopped to figure that out, the teleport. Then he turns and his second/third shot kills this is why we have rules. Did anyone see the grenade go off? Who was that meant for?  
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level1nobody
Super Regular
Cold Giver

P: 07/21/2021 00:09 EST
    If I have a feeling a tele destroyer will take a shot at me, I'll stay still. I do it so there's no way they can say I "aggressed" or "engaged" them.

Because it's getting pretty obvious that people are looking for any microexpression that will give them permission to light up secondary spawn...

"He turned right twice, then left, then crouched. Everybody knows that's honeybee dance for 'I'm about to shoot at you!' So I dropped two MIRVs and left a detpack on my way out."
  
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Olinkapo
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 07/21/2021 00:31 EST
E: 07/21/2021 00:37 EST
    You see the guy come up and just happen to be on a teleport. Fine. So the first shot is right at the tele, which it should be.

You say you don't know what the second shot was for, but it's clear from the video your tele entrance isn't destroyed until the 2nd shot he takes. So the 2nd shot was for the tele.

Now you swivel around at him with your gun out.
What is he honestly supposed to think you are going to do at that point?

I suppose it might be one thing if you had kept running out toward the dropdown. A fresh spawn not engaging anyone and trying to enter the field of play is protected.
But you didn't do that. You stopped and pointed
your gun at him.

While I'm not sure this is tje prettiest kill I've seen, I also think this is really clearly NOT what Drippy means when he refers to guys "going after cheap kills".
  
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Matt_tfc
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Draw

P: 07/21/2021 00:55 EST
    How about the nail gren he throws towards respawn door? Surely that's not legal..  
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kyree
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Killer Scout

P: 07/21/2021 01:05 EST
E: 07/21/2021 01:09 EST
    Matt..you and I might never agree on some things...but that obligatory nail grenade at spawn should be bannable...fucking first time!
that is an obvious attempt at "cheap spawn kills" fuck you pussy ass soldiers!

this is a regular play by veteran soldiers..I can list names all day, but I'm waiting for the list of cheaters first!
  
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Olinkapo
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Killer Scout

P: 07/21/2021 01:20 EST
    Ahhhh, I totally missed that grande chuck. Good catch, Matt.

Cheap kills attempted, indeed.

  
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Crack-Powered Capper

P: 07/21/2021 01:37 EST
   
kyree wrote:
Matt..you and I might never agree on some things...but that obligatory nail grenade at spawn should be bannable...fucking first time!
that is an obvious attempt at "cheap spawn kills" fuck you pussy ass soldiers!

this is a regular play by veteran soldiers..I can list names all day, but I'm waiting for the list of cheaters first!
I will toss nail grenades towards the 2nd floor respawn area if a. Defender is playing at the respawn area b. Sg near respawn, or c. When I engage multiple targets on the second floor I toss a nail grenade in their general vicinity and proceed to kill as many as I can. I hope all these reasons are legit.

I am surprised that you feel that way kyree as I have ran into your mirvs coming out of respawn many times, not to mention det packs. I know det packs are legal, but hard to argue you aren’t trying to get cheap kills.
  
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[SHS]Hitz
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Killer Scout

P: 07/21/2021 01:53 EST
    imo, the solly was going for the tele and took out LG as collateral damage. One of those things. But the nail gren towards the respawn door shows intent to nab some cheap kills. I hope he got dealt with.  
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level1nobody
Super Regular
Cold Giver

P: 07/21/2021 01:56 EST
E: 07/21/2021 02:03 EST
    [edited] If you want to witness someone killing you in spawn so you can establish intent, you're gonna have to point your gun in their direction because that's your FOV. Should he have switched to spanner?  
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kyree
Super Regular
Killer Scout

P: 07/21/2021 05:16 EST
E: 07/21/2021 05:30 EST
   
Help wrote:
kyree wrote:
Matt..you and I might never agree on some things...but that obligatory nail grenade at spawn should be bannable...fucking first time!
that is an obvious attempt at "cheap spawn kills" fuck you pussy ass soldiers!

this is a regular play by veteran soldiers..I can list names all day, but I'm waiting for the list of cheaters first!
I will toss nail grenades towards the 2nd floor respawn area if a. Defender is playing at the respawn area b. Sg near respawn, or c. When I engage multiple targets on the second floor I toss a nail grenade in their general vicinity and proceed to kill as many as I can. I hope all these reasons are legit.

I am surprised that you feel that way kyree as I have ran into your mirvs coming out of respawn many times, not to mention det packs. I know det packs are legal, but hard to argue you aren’t trying to get cheap kills.
Sir Help,...I come thru that doorway with an MIRV primed ...I'm not trying for cheap kills..I use that as cover..if I chuck it at a solly...it knocks them off a shot at me..if I chuck it an engie..it kills them and their sg they are building..if I have no target, it goes into the respawn entrance or goes into the box room or the ramp leading up to spawn into the rr...if I die with it in my hands then so be it
it would be an interesting stat to know how many lvl 1 sg's I've killed with that plan...it would also be an interesting stat to know how many flag protectors I've killed when the flag was atop the spiral, or how many people exiting respawn had killed themselves whilst trying to stop me

it could be argued that a soldier is using it as cover, but they are already down the spiral before it even takes effect

"cheap kills?"
from demos piping from spawn or snipers being in the way scoping from spawn?

I guess it all boils down to intent
  
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Backalleybuttlove
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P: 07/21/2021 05:26 EST
    I vote legal kill with respect to him killing you. Dude, you didn't even engage him. I think players should be able to hunt teleporters and engage recently spawned players to still be in the game provided they make a hasty exit and not linger in the spawn.

The throwing of the grenade is a lot more controversial of a move I'll grant you. As a matter of sportsmanship and following both the letter and spirit of the rules I don't throw grenades in the sniper respawn when I hunt for teleporters.
  
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straightcashhomie
P: 07/21/2021 09:16 EST
   
LGMB95033 wrote:
https://youtu.be/08mEmkQQasw
The fuck you care for so much? You didn't even engage him. Maybe kill him and that nail grenade never comes out.

You're just standing back and trying to escalate a situation to post here. He killed the teleporters and an engy by it, I'd do the same thing.

Point a gun at me MFer.
  
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Ignorant_Florist
Daycare Manager
Pipebomb Monkey

P: 07/21/2021 10:55 EST
   
Olinkapo wrote:
Ahhhh, I totally missed that grande chuck. Good catch, Matt.

Cheap kills attempted, indeed.

Yeah, I missed that nail nade on first watch, too. Good spotting that one.

As for the kill... the first shot was pretty obviously at the tele, and you just happened to be there. Pretty much the same with the second shot.

Being "injured", turning around to go back for health/armour is a logical move.... so the third shot that killed you is, in my eyes, a cheap kill.

The frag that went off... could have been an errant throw intended for the tele. But that nail nade at the door? Nope.... that's going for cheap kills, and he should have been kicked/banned for it.

Let's even mention that he admitted it was a cheap kill(his reply to LG).
  
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