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angry_salad
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P: 08/12/2022 17:28 EST
E: 08/12/2022 17:41 EST
   
Poll: Is Trump Fucked?
Yes (32%)
Possibly (21%)
Probably (5%)
Mushroom Dick (42%)
Poll has ended (it ran for 7 days). 19 total votes.


For your perusal, the warrant and receipt of what was seized:

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/...
  
CODE_TRIAGE
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P: 08/12/2022 17:59 EST
E: 08/12/2022 18:32 EST
    How is 'probable cause' enforced in this type of circumstance? He got snitched on, perhaps... and with some kind of standard about testimony in place.

One suggestion for America's police force: this might be what needs to be filled out every time a person gets pulled over, prior to any searches or seizures.
  
amnesia
P: 08/12/2022 18:44 EST
    Imagine hero-worshipping a man like Donald Trump. Republicans have completely lost their minds and I'm here for it. Lol m8!  
Backalleybuttlove
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P: 08/12/2022 18:44 EST
E: 08/12/2022 18:54 EST
    Was about to start a thread on this/wondering who'd be first.

WaPo is already alleging that the documents are related to nuclear weapons. If you believe that then I have a lake in Michigan to sell you. Either evidence was planted or this is some sort of kabuki theatre, "blah blah blah, no one's against the law." The FBI is essentially the equivalent of the Democrat's KGB.

What's going on is everything the Democrats accused Trump of doing but orders of magnitude worse. No matter how bad you thought Trump's phone call to the Ukranian president was, this FBI raid, whether you like it or not, eclpises Trump's phone call INB4 "wHaTaBoUtIsM!" Our resident leftist, engighent admitted himself that "whataboutism" is a propaganda tactic.

Garland is out for blood, he's butthurt that he didn't get his presumable SCOTUS seat. Talk about white privilege, typical rich white prep boy going to Harvard expecting everything to be given to him. Oh, wait, Garland's Jewish, he got everything by his hard work and education. Funny how that works out.

So yes, I'd say Trump is fucked but for the wrong reasons. He's basically a professional defendant at this point, defending himself against nuclear lawfare. Based on what WaPo is saying, they'll probably try to re-manufacture the Russia narrative but with nuclear weapons to spice things up. Hopefully the left, which prides itself being smart, will see through the lies this time and see the forest from the trees and not be blinded by raw baseless hatred. Oh, who am I kidding.

Edit: Maybe he's not fucked. Maybe he has some sort of info relating to Epstein and high up Democrats including Slick Willy. Not to mention the judge that signed the warrant, Reinhart, seems very sketchy. Dude went from either being in the office or prosecuting Epstein himself to then defending him.
  
Drogon
P: 08/12/2022 19:17 EST
    Take it or leave it, here's my thoughts... I won't take the January 6th stuff seriously until they take the BLM riots seriously, which affected a hell of a lot more people. Do I think Trump did anything that deserved prosecution? No. He did no more than the demoncrats when they knelt for BLM...who caused hundreds of riots.

Do I like Trump? Hell no. He's an arrogant asshole who truly believes the election was stolen from him because he believes he's the best person on earth and who would have voted against him? Would I vote for him? No. Would I vote for any democrat candidate? No. When I vote in national elections I refuse to vote for demoncrats or republicans because they represent their party, not America. I'd rather do a write-in vote for some drugged up homeless man on the street.

That being said, I hope they are successful in prosecuting Trump because there are still enough intelligent people in America to vote against the demoncrats after this travesty of a presidential term and we wouldn't be forced to choose between Biden, Trump, or Harris. Honestly, I feel that when the political parties decide to support a candidate they try to find the least desirable candidate.
  
[SHS]Hitz
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P: 08/12/2022 20:12 EST
    Stop falling for this nonsense. Everything political is just circus and theater for the plebs. In other words, all this is a hoax. I'm surprised somebody as high and mighty as nug would fall for this claptrap. ALL politicians are corrupt, left or right. (and here's the kicker) No politician gives a flying fuck for any of us. They represent big business, big pharma, the war machine and the bankers.  
nesemann
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P: 08/12/2022 20:15 EST
    I heard from a left-winger that he was keeping nuclear stuff because he's still on russia's payroll. Haven't fact-checked that, but the argument was that no american banks have been lending to him for the past decade or two, only russian. Hence, they have leverage and are applying to try to get the nuclear stuff, pee tape or no.

Not sure I believe that, because why is he still holding onto it if the ruskies want it? He might be in trouble, but I think he's going to skate because he can claim that when they returned the earlier 15 they just missed these. But I'm not sure about that either. If you already realize you mistakenly took 15 boxes of top secret info, don't you search to make sure there's not more you might've missed? I mean, now it seems he's either a moron, or he's doing it on purpose. Either way, it looks pretty bad.
  
Matt_tfc
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P: 08/12/2022 20:20 EST
    Does not.. do not.. doesn't matter precedent has been set with Hillary's top secret emails.

Ralphy, hit that rewind button.

..James Comey,"No reasonable prosecutor" would even consider taking the case of Hillary's keeping thousands of top secret emails on her unsecured bathroom server.

Literally every president takes documents. The difference is democratic presidents private homes are *not* raided. Also, what about presidential libraries that have been built.. and then they donate their declassified papers to the library.

Trump has been under investigation for over six years for just about everything and no indictments so it says a lot about the people who instantly believe this story. Maybe (just maybe...) wait and see what the details are? What say you Ralphy..?
  
angry_salad
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P: 08/12/2022 20:48 EST
   
amnesia wrote:
Imagine hero-worshipping a man like Donald Trump.
It is indeed peculiar.
  
angry_salad
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P: 08/12/2022 20:54 EST
   
Drogon wrote:
I won't take the January 6th stuff seriously until they take the BLM riots seriously,
Those two are not the same thing.
  
Olinkapo
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P: 08/13/2022 01:43 EST
    The intense desire for certain people in this thread to twist themselves in such adorably bendy pretzels to suck their own cocks and desperately defend a criminal is adorable.

I find it highly entertaining.

Please continue.

"All politicians are criminals but not my Trumpy Wumpy, honest!"

Fuckin Capital L, Capital O, Capital L
  
amnesia
P: 08/13/2022 03:26 EST
E: 08/13/2022 03:28 EST
    BACK THE BLUE M8! Unless it's the FBI doing their job or the cops trying to defend the capitol against that "peaceful protest" on January 6th.

@Oli hah, quite incredible ain't it. I just can't get my head around why these grown ass men have decided to worship at the alter of this guy.

@Shitz / Raffles_UK the FBI will be raiding your neckbeard-nest very soon.
  
EnginGhent
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P: 08/13/2022 10:35 EST
    Facts are frustrating, sometimes. Being informed is important to make accurate statements.

See this thread for all source links.

https://reddit.com/r/news/comments/wms4q9/_/ik1jypa/?context...
2021

January 2021: Trump is stepping down as president and is ordered to return all documents to NARA before leaving office.

May 2021: NARA officials contact Trump’s team after realizing several important documents were missing.

Fall 2021: NARA has not received the documents.NARA lawyer Gary stern reaches out to Trump attorney to intervene, asking about several boxes of records apparently taken to Mar-a-Lago during Trump’s relocation.

2022

It’s been nearly 12 full months since he’s been ordered to return all documents, and 7 months since NARA told him directly that they know documents are missing. He has not returned the documents in his possession during this time.

January 2022 - After months of discussions, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump white house records. Some of them are torn up, some reconstructed with tape. NARA says in a statement that the boxes contain some Classified security documents.

February 2022 - NARA asks Justice department to investigate Trump’s handling of White House records, and whether he violated laws related to classified information.

April 2022 - NARA publicly acknowledges that the Justice Department is involved, and news outlets report thatprosecutors have launched a criminal probe into Trump’s mishandling of classified documents. Around this time, FBI agents begin interviewing Trump aides about the handling of records.

May 2022 - News outlets report that investigatorssubpoenaed NARA for access to the classified documents already obtained from Mar-A-Lago. This indicates that the Justice Department is using a grand jury in its investigation.

June 2022 - Four investigators, including a Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-A-Lago seeking info on the classified information Trump had taken to florida. During this meeting, federal officials serve a grand jury subpoena for some of the sensitive national security documents found on the premises. They take those documents with them when they leave. (Edit note: I haven’t been able to find a secondary source for this one, beyond CNN’s claims.)

Still in June 2022: Trump’s attorneys then receive a letter, from federal investigators, asking them to further secure the room where documents are being stored. Trump aides add a padlock to the room. Federal Investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump investigation,demanding surveillance video. Trump’s company turns over the footage.

August 8, 2022 -FBI executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, focused on the club area where Trump’s offices and personal quarters were located. Federal agents remove ‘about a dozen’ boxes of materials from the property after this search.

Attorney General Garland revealed that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant.

And today the warrant dropped, including the inventory list of what was taken. You can read it here.

Federal agents who executed the warrant did so to investigate potential crimes associated with violations of the Espionage Act, which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; a federal law that makes it a crime to destroy or conceal a document to obstruct a government investigation, and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. - none of these laws change based on whether information was deemed to be unclassified or not.

The Espionage Act in particular, if violated can carry a penalty of up to 10 years in prison per offense.

The search this past Monday seized 11 sets of documents in all, including some marked as “classified/TS/SCI” documents — shorthand for “top secret/sensitive compartmented information,” according to the report. SAPs like TS/SCI are created when the sharing of specific information represents a heightened threat of damaging disclosures, or when a “secret” or “top secret” classification is not deemed sufficiently protective. Documents marked thus are meant to be viewed only in secure govt. facilities.

The Washington Post also revealed an anonymous tip from individuals ‘familiar with the investigation’ that the FBI agents were looking for classified documents relating to nuclear weapons, though did not say if said documents had been recovered.Per the Atomic Energy Act, the president has no authority to declassify documents relating to nuclear power or weapons.

The last folks in the United States who violated both the Espionage Act and the Atomic Energy Act were executed!
  
Drogon
P: 08/13/2022 18:56 EST
   
angry_salad wrote:
Drogon wrote:
I won't take the January 6th stuff seriously until they take the BLM riots seriously,
Those two are not the same thing.
You are right. The January 6th thing only affected a few worthless politicians. The BLM thing affected hundreds of thousands of ordinary people.
  
EnginGhent
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P: 08/13/2022 20:42 EST
    Your understanding of people storming the Capitol building with zip ties, weapons, and explosives in an attempt to subvert democracy and our election process as «  only effecting a few worthless politicians »?  
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