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[IOD]Snips
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[IOD]Snips
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| | | P: | 06/11/2025 02:33 EST |
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It's disturbing/alarming how few platforms & places doctors and/or scientists can talk about vaccine problems. People put you into a conspiracy box if you ask questions, even years later.
I had heard about vaccine's DNA present inside the lining of either the liver or stomach a year or two ago but much of these issues in this Joe Rogan interview are new to me. Very sad to hear the medical industry are pretty much ignoring & not taking side effects or complications seriously.
$4000 compensation for lifelong issues related to the vaccine sounds way too low & only if you're super lucky to get anything. | |
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| | | P: | 06/11/2025 02:35 EST |
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I got the J&J vaccine once in 2021, and my dad ended up infecting me with his covid a year later. Never got another shot or infected since. I'm still thankful I never tried the mRNA ones, hoping my antibodies are not 10x or higher for life since J&J used old vaccine technology.
I have a democrat aunt who's had half a dozen vaccines since 2021, wearing stickers proudly as if she's an American hero now.
I can't imagine pregnant women getting one (or more) covid vaccines during different stages of the baby still being developed in the womb. | |
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That was why we had our reservations. My wife gave birth in February 2020 just before the lockdowns. She was still nursing when the vaccine came out. Of course, the CDC et al billed the importance of the vaccine for nursing mothers since it would also spread to the baby. My background is in biology. The movement of MRNA from the nucleus of a cell to the cytoplasm is a highly regulated process. You don't want your balls to start producing uterus tissuenow do you? So, these mRNA vaccines had me very suspicious from the start. There is also the fact that cornoviruses evolve very quickly. So it is a cash cow for big pharma. That also had me skeptical "why is your covid pass valid for only 6 months." | |
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mmarino51589
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| | | P: | 06/11/2025 08:45 EST |
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i can't wait to see the civility that will inevitably fill up this thread | |
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gg#4
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| | | P: | 06/11/2025 09:18 EST |
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I do think that there were health complications that came up in a very small amount of people, but the human mind is powerful and I feel like others are making it up. Its been proven you can think yourself sick. | |
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level1nobody
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| | | P: | 06/11/2025 22:05 EST | | E: | 06/11/2025 22:06 EST |
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Just to add, remember that many jab injuries went unreported and the benefits of it were exaggerated through the collusion of government, media and big pharma.
- Doctors were not aware of many of the side effects and thus diagnosed injured people with anxiety among other things.
- The models of how many people were likely saved by the jab were skewed by suppression of off-patent therapeutics and unnecessary deaths from being put on "remdeathivir" and being placed on ventilators where they died of secondary pneumonia.
- Death certificates marked people as having died from COVID if a less-than-accurate PCR test indicated the virus was present, even if there were multiple comorbidities and likelier causes of death.
It has been a tough sell convincing people that the system is massively corrupt at the top and that we've been conned to the extent that we have. But it's nice to see people start to come around to the idea. | |
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| | | P: | 06/12/2025 02:30 EST |
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Americans have never been more sick (immune system disorders, etc) with health issues in history, due to lack of self control & bad habits. So there will be people who developed diabetes or some other illness by chance the same year they got the covid vaccine & there newly developed medical conditions had nothing to do with the vaccine but rather poor decisions leading upto that same year. Large amounts of the American population were on the road towards needing new medical treatments well before 2020.
If people developed a blood disorder, suffered a stroke or had a baby die shortly after getting the vaccine, the point is there's no platform for people to even discuss that let alone assign blame.
Facebook and social media do demonize people who ask questions or display any sort of skepticism about safety, where questioning vaccine safety or concerns isn't tolerated. If you ended up with a blood disorder because of the covid vaccine, nobody will care (especially the vaccine manufacturers). | |
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@Snips, it's nuts. Is there any other medical treatment where you can say you were injured and instead of sympathy, someone will snap back with "WELL I TOOK IT AND I'M FINE"?
@BABL, yup, another COVID-era loophole: They're a private company and they can do what they want. But also the executive branch of the U.S. government is making a... polite suggestion to a private company. | |
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Well another way of looking at this is you could give a bunch of 90 year olds in a nursing home a placebo pill & many would be reporting aching bones, sore muscles, brainfog & other symptoms of old age as a side effect of the sugar pill drug they took. Mentally projecting an existing condition is similar in that many Americans were/are on track to develop cancers with or without vaccines.
I think the only meaningful way to really establish if covid vaccines did harm would be to zoom out entirely & acknowledge almost the entire population has had at least 1 covid vaccine or more. Then look at nationwide yearly cancers, blood disorders, miscarriage's & more and compare it with data after the vaccine usage. If key health related statistics have a massive increase moving forward that might be an indication.
The main counterpoint with that outlook is that the covid infections themselves do massive damage to internal organs & immune systems in a human body too. Somebody who never took a vaccine, got infected with covid a few times and developed a cancer or strokes afterwards would be treated as a vaccine damaged statistic incorrectly.
I don't think there can be a way to create an individual test to check for vaccine injuries. Would be interesting to hear more doctors speak for or against vaccine injury issues though. | |
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VAERS is still valid in my opinion. The numbers are damning, and adverse effects from vaccines there have historically been underreported.
The pushback against VAERS has been that users can make false reports and thus it is unreliable. But the burden of evidence/proof is curiously one-sided, in that none of the VAERS detractors ever feels the need to tell us where these 180,000+ pranksters came from or how they coordinated this false-report push. | |
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level1nobody
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| | | P: | 06/12/2025 14:58 EST | | E: | 06/12/2025 17:54 EST |
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Not to mention that there is some overlap between the "long-COVID" afflicted and the vax injured: spike protein damage...
Firstly, COVID has spike proteins, of course. But getting flooded with spike proteins either directly or through mRNA as a result the jab, on top of having remaining spike proteins from a COVID infection, seems dangerous. Remember, the jab was sold on everyone as something that can enhance natural immunity but instead likely compounded the damage in some people.
Secondly, spike proteins (or the mechanism of their generation) from the jab do not stay localized to the injection site. Spike proteins have been found in the hearts and brains of vax recipients without nucleocapsid proteins. (When nucleocapsids are found with spike proteins, that is determined to be damage from a COVID infection.)
Bottom line, the argument made by some that the vax damage is acceptable because COVID does damage too doesn't hold water when we have such strong evidence that early treatment and therapeutics work so much better than an experimental jab promoted by multi-billionaire Doctor Bill Gates. | |
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Didn't think I'd come across more vaccine skepticism on here again but this time I decided to make an account just to voice my 2 cents to address some of these misunderstandings.
It's important to remember that the COVID-19 vaccines have been subject to the most intense safety monitoring in history.
Beyond Initial Reports: Systems like VAERS are just the first step—an early warning system. After a signal is detected in VAERS, it's rigorously investigated through other systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which analyzes healthcare records from millions of people to see if a specific health problem is happening more often in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people. These more robust studies have consistently shown that while side effects exist (like myocarditis, which is rare), the risk of these same conditions from a COVID-19 infection is significantly higher.
VAERS Explained: As some here already know, the purpose of VAERS is to collect any adverse event that occurs after vaccination, regardless of whether the vaccine caused it. The VAERS website itself states its data cannot be used to determine causation. With billions of vaccine doses administered, a huge number of coincidental health events were expected to be reported. For example, every day thousands of people in the U.S. have heart attacks or strokes. When you vaccinate millions of people, some will inevitably have one of these events the next day by pure chance. VAERS collects this data so scientists can investigate if it's a coincidence or a real risk. The "damning numbers" are largely a reflection of the unprecedented scale of the vaccination campaign, not proof of causation.
On COVID Deaths vs. Vaccine Benefits:
The idea that the benefits were exaggerated or that death counts were manipulated has been looked at very closely by public health officials worldwide.
"Excess Deaths": The most telling statistic is "excess deaths"—the number of deaths above what would be expected based on historical averages. Across the globe, periods of high COVID-19 transmission correlated directly with massive spikes in excess deaths, long before vaccines were available. This shows that it wasn't just a matter of misattributing deaths; far more people were dying than usual, and COVID-19 was the clear cause.
Therapeutics and Treatments: The scientific community rigorously tested dozens of potential treatments. Some, like the steroid dexamethasone, were proven effective for severe disease and became standard care. Others, like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, were shown in large, high-quality clinical trials to be ineffective against COVID-19. The narrative that cheap, effective drugs were suppressed isn't supported by the evidence from these global studies. Similarly, ventilators and drugs like remdesivir were used for critically ill patients in an effort to save their lives from severe respiratory failure, a known and often fatal consequence of the virus. They were treatments for the damage COVID caused, not the cause of the deaths themselves.
On Spike Protein Damage:
The concern about the spike protein is common, but it's important to distinguish between the spike protein in an infection versus a vaccine.
Controlled vs. Uncontrolled Exposure: A natural COVID-19 infection results in the virus replicating uncontrollably throughout your body, creating a high and unpredictable load of spike protein (along with around 28 other viral proteins) that causes widespread inflammation and damage. The vaccine, in contrast, delivers instructions to create a small, controlled amount of a modified, stabilized spike protein in a localized area (mostly around the injection site and nearby lymph nodes) to train your immune system.
Localization: While minuscule amounts of the vaccine-generated spike protein can be detected in the bloodstream shortly after vaccination, studies show that it is cleared very quickly. The idea of it "flooding" the body and accumulating in organs is not what the evidence shows. In fact, finding spike protein in organs without the virus's nucleocapsid protein is exactly what we'd expect after vaccination, as the vaccine only teaches cells to make the spike protein. This is evidence the vaccine is working as designed, not that it's causing the same damage as a full-blown infection.
Ultimately, the argument that vaccine damage is comparable to or worse than the virus's damage isn't supported by the vast body of evidence. The consensus from hundreds of thousands of doctors, immunologists, and public health experts across the globe who have studied this is clear: the risks from a COVID-19 infection far outweigh the risks of vaccination.
That being said it was a difficult time for everyone and questioning things is good, however I can't wrap my mind those that continue to express their paranoia on vaccines despite the rarity of any adverse reaction and the countless studies through the years that has demonstrated its overall safety and effectiveness. Of course no medication isn't without any risks, but I'm not seeing anybody here dispute or vent about the countless others that are being consumed and used daily. It's simply a matter of pros vs cons. It's also exciting to see some of the newer data.
Over the past year, several new studies have come out showing that getting the COVID-19 vaccine might offer more benefits than we originally thought especially when it comes to heart health.
For example, a large study from Sweden looked at over 8 million people and found that those who were fully vaccinated had a noticeably lower risk of serious heart problems like heart attacks, strokes, and heart failure. This protective effect was especially strong after a third dose of the vaccine. There was a small bump in things like irregular heartbeats right after getting the shot, but those effects were short-lived and didn’t lead to major issues.
A study in the UK also found something similar: people who had been vaccinated had a lower chance of heart attacks and strokes in the months after their shots. This pattern held up across different vaccine brands and even after multiple doses.
Another large analysis across multiple countries (including the UK and Spain) showed that people who got COVID-19 vaccines were much less likely to experience heart failure or blood clots after catching the virus. That means the vaccine not only helps prevent serious illness from COVID itself but also seems to reduce some of the worst complications that can follow.
And just to clear up a concern that’s been floating around—there was a CDC study that looked at young adults in Oregon and found no evidence that the vaccine causes sudden cardiac death. In fact, none of the deaths they looked at were linked to the vaccine at all.
So overall, the newer research suggests that the vaccines don’t just help prevent COVID—they may also offer some real protection against serious heart issues, especially those linked to getting infected. It’s a reassuring sign that the benefits of vaccination continue to outweigh the risks. So don't be afraid to shoot up :P
Some good trusted sources on the matter:
https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/
https://www.nejm.org/covid-vaccine
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/home
(And of course the CDC as well as FDA, despite the few on here that distrust it as creditable) | |
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